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Europe's $24T Breakup with Visa and Mastercard Has Begun

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Re: Europe's $24T Breakup with Visa and Mastercard Has Begun

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post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, really dumb move on the part of Chase bank. They'd previously marketed their accounts as being geared towards international travelers, but now their cards can't be used in much of the world.

Capital One just switched too.

https://investor.capitalone.com/news-releases/news-release-d...

They didn't just switch. They purchased Discover.

edit: added the "just"

Re: Europe's $24T Breakup with Visa and Mastercard Has Begun

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Most, if not all countries have their own domestic payment systems. This is about cross-border payments within the EU. “Breakup” seems a bit exaggerated considering the % of payment volume which might switch to the new system.

Russia switched 100% of its payments seamlessly, no reason for the EU not to do the same. Build up the network and tell banks to use that network even for transactions initiated with Visa/MC cards. At that point cards are still usable, but effectively a piece of identification plastic not directly controlled by Visa/MC anymore.

Re: Europe's $24T Breakup with Visa and Mastercard Has Begun

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When India moved to UPI in the last few years something very interesting happened. The same devices that accept UPI (usually some android based POS) also accepted a plethora of cards. Previously merchants would be hesitant to take anything other than cash or charge 2% for visa/mastercard. But with wide adoption of digital payments they now just accept any payment with the goal that they don't want bad reviews and/or lose customers.

Point being that with a cheap alternative, it's actually much more convenient now to use a Visa or Mastercard especially with tap to pay because with competition being so high, the diversity means people allow all payments.

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I always find it entertaining to hear people try to argue that what these companies do is soooooo difficult and that's why they're valuable. It's just multiple computers keeping a balance. It's not complicated. No, these companies keep themselves in power not because they've solved such a difficult problem that nobody else can, but because they have a moat which they protect. Time to do away with these foreign entiti…

Each individual detail isn't difficult, the moat is dealing with a huge, huge, pile of them. But most of the details are driven by laws and regulations: of the entity in charge of those things decides it doesn't want you to have a moat any more, you've got a problem. If there's one thing the EU really does have, it's the capacity to revise regulations.

Re: Europe's $24T Breakup with Visa and Mastercard Has Begun

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post #5

So Wero is not a credit card, but something more like Venmo? How is it supposed to replace Visa and Mastercard?

It's for online payments only. You click on the wero button on a website/app, if on mobile takes you to your banking app (on desktop, you scan a QR code), you do MFA on your banking app and confirm, and the payment is done.

Wero are not in the business of issuing cards, though obviously they could get into that business - just like UnionPay did in China. I suspect there would be a lot of inertia there, as card payment fees are capped in Europe anyway.

Re: Europe's $24T Breakup with Visa and Mastercard Has Begun

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So Wero is not a credit card, but something more like Venmo? How is it supposed to replace Visa and Mastercard?

By letting merchants receive payments from customers without going through Visa and Mastercard?

Granted, the FAQ entry is rather light in details:

https://support.wero-wallet.eu/hc/en-us/articles/39413057671...

Re: Europe's $24T Breakup with Visa and Mastercard Has Begun

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post #9

> National pride and competing banking interests repeatedly sabotaged attempts at unification. That's exactly the problem. Several actors have won the market of their country, but only of their country. Will Trump be enough to make the europeans realize that they need to work together, and that an italian win is just as good as a german win?

But more importantly, that walled gardens should be abolished and portability and compatibility of user accounts should be enshrined into law and protected at all costs.

Re: Europe's $24T Breakup with Visa and Mastercard Has Begun

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post #5

So Wero is not a credit card, but something more like Venmo? How is it supposed to replace Visa and Mastercard?

> So Wero is not a credit card

Neither are visa/MC for the most part. Mostly debit. ;) this isn’t really about the card anyway but the network behind it.

This is likely to be similar to the existing European payment systems just wider in scope. There are a bunch already it’s just fragmented and country specific. Sepa wero ideal girocard crates bancaires

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