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Re: Jony Ive Designed Ferrari Luce EV Interior

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Post by lbreakjai »

secretballot wrote: post #23
automatic6131 wrote: post #11

That steering wheel looks absolutely awful. Like a budget car. And the UX is rubbish. The easiest to reach buttons are ones that are nearly never needed: drive mode (usually used 0-2 times per trip), wiper mode (but no single wipe?). The only frequently used ones are the indicators - which I don't love but I guess stalks are a bit meh aesthetically - and the speed cruise. But sensors? Suspension? Why are they there?…

> He'd fit in better at Kia Heh, my thought on opening the article and seeing the image was "huh, without the badge in the photo, if forced to guess the make, I'd have gone with Kia."

Eh I don't know, I got a Kia Niro last month, the interior looks good.

Re: Jony Ive Designed Ferrari Luce EV Interior

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Post by korhojoa »

recursivedoubts wrote: post #26
nubg wrote: post #16

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Agreed. I wonder why they didnt immediately think of that (slider for temperature etc). Is it our hubris as armchair UI designers that we miss obvious problems? Is it internal politics? Is it bureaucracy? Is it hardware difficulties?

i think physical sliders are aesthetically fairly ugly (although two vertical sliders on either side of the control cluster could look good) they also make it difficult to support an "auto" function, because they would need to move automatically to maintain a consistent user experience sliders aren't used very often in cars now so it is probably harder to find well made components for them etc hopefully as the automa…

I don't see why a slider couldn't work with "Auto".

Setting the temperature where one end is minimum, the other is maximum, and between them you have a choice of degrees.

Activated vents would probably be better kept as buttons instead of being on a slider, I might want to use the floor vents at the same time as the defroster.

Fan speed (imo) should be on a knob, like a volume control. It would be fun to see it move, like a motorized pot on a receiver.

Re: Jony Ive Designed Ferrari Luce EV Interior

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Post by anonym00se1 »

Traster wrote: post #57

I clearly don't understand Design. My expectation is that an amazing prolific designer would deliver different designs in different contexts. At Apple maybe it's this minimalist industrial design. But what I'm seeing here - and forgive me if I'm just an idiot about design, is exactly what you'd get it you asked ChatGPT "Ferrari but Johnny Ive apple design interior". It's all the same design language and materials you…

This is Jony Ive taking his design aesthetic (minimalism, primary shapes, metal&glass) and applying it to the interior of a car vs. Jony Ive designing an interior of a Ferrari that looks like a Ferrari.

Re: Jony Ive Designed Ferrari Luce EV Interior

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Post by CamperBob2 »

detourdog wrote: post #46
pcurve wrote: post #13

I welcome to physical buttons. But multiple rectilineal shapes dominate without harmony. Almost feels like a semi truck interior.

British sports cars in the sixties for safety reasons had to remove toggle switches. The problem was that during crashes people were losing eyes or suffering puncture wounds. This was the story handed down to me by my uncle. This is second hand account but here are my uncle's credentials... https://mossmotoring.com/manhattan-mechanic/

No shortage of toggle switches in 1970s Ferraris, I can say that much.

Re: Jony Ive Designed Ferrari Luce EV Interior

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Post by CamperBob2 »

dundundundun wrote: post #78

This is stupid. I'm lucky enough to have driven quite a few modern Ferraris (488, 812, FF, California) and what they have in common is that their interiors are not very pretty or advanced, but everything is where you'd expect and gives the info you need (that is, apart from the horrible non-deterministic placement of the indicator switches on the steering wheel). This is not a Ferrari interior. It's an interior for r…

I recently went straight from a California to a Miata ND

I, too, shorted NVDA

Re: Jony Ive Designed Ferrari Luce EV Interior

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Post by pcurve »

wlesieutre wrote: post #88
pcurve wrote: post #81

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I can forgive the circle screen in a Mini Cooper just because it's a heritage thing. What I don't like is, not having physical controls for heated seats, temperature controls, and heated steering wheels. Mini made all those touch screen, which don't work nice with gloves.

I always wonder if the people designing these things have ever lived in a cold climate. They know about cold in the abstract because they put heated seats in, but have they ever woken up in the morning and gone outside to commute to work in a car that's been sitting at -20 degrees overnight. Interfaces that don't work with gloves or mittens on are the worst. Which is to say, do they know that touch interfaces are bad…

"Which is to say, do they know that touch interfaces are bad and do it anyway because it saves money? Or do they go through life thinking they're actually making a usable product?"

It's likely the former. Industrial designers are trained on ergonomics so they know the benefits of physical switches.

However, at least in the case of BMW / Mini, they're forced use touchscreens by their management primarily because:

1. Not only it saves money

2. It also enables subscription models for certain features like heated seats and steering wheel. No heated seats? Just remove the UI buttons.

Unless consumers push back (like VW customers did), they will continue to cut costs.

Re: Jony Ive Designed Ferrari Luce EV Interior

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Post by reverius42 »

Podrod wrote: post #85
Hamuko wrote: post #71

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I have a HUD in my BMW and it's utterly useless unless it's night time since it doesn't work with polarized sunglasses.

Have you tried taking off your sunglasses?

Sunglasses help you when you are driving and it's sunny out.

Has the manufacturer considered designing and testing for that use case?

Re: Jony Ive Designed Ferrari Luce EV Interior

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Post by reverius42 »

wlesieutre wrote: post #88
pcurve wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can forgive the circle screen in a Mini Cooper just because it's a heritage thing. What I don't like is, not having physical controls for heated seats, temperature controls, and heated steering wheels. Mini made all those touch screen, which don't work nice with gloves.

I always wonder if the people designing these things have ever lived in a cold climate. They know about cold in the abstract because they put heated seats in, but have they ever woken up in the morning and gone outside to commute to work in a car that's been sitting at -20 degrees overnight. Interfaces that don't work with gloves or mittens on are the worst. Which is to say, do they know that touch interfaces are bad…

EVs heat up the interior before you get in (very effectively, since they are usually a heat pump for interior heating/cooling and also for battery temp management). Generally you tap a button in an app on your phone about 10 minutes prior, and by the time you get in the car it's nice and toasty. If you keep your car plugged in at home it doesn't even use any battery to do this. Heated seats is just a luxury feature, not a necessity.

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Post by detourdog »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #94
detourdog wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

British sports cars in the sixties for safety reasons had to remove toggle switches. The problem was that during crashes people were losing eyes or suffering puncture wounds. This was the story handed down to me by my uncle. This is second hand account but here are my uncle's credentials... https://mossmotoring.com/manhattan-mechanic/

No shortage of toggle switches in 1970s Ferraris, I can say that much.

I think the toggle switch ban can be lumped in with the bumper requirement on imports. Maybe with the rubber bumpers on MG’s. I think these imports requirements started in the 70’s.

Re: Jony Ive Designed Ferrari Luce EV Interior

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Post by csjr »

The wheel looks good, remind me of a F1 one! Loved the dials on it! It's proper cockpit, gave me launch control vibes. The integration between physical and digital looks smooth.

The paddle shifts got me intrigued, how it's working under the hood?

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