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Facebook, I want my friends back

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Re: Facebook, I want my friends back

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post #28

If you're posting 10-16 posts a day and you forcibly put each of these into 100% of your fans, you're going to shrink your base. If you did that to me, I'm going to hide or Unlike your page. If you emailed me those posts, I'd be hitting unsubscribe in half a day. The Facebook News Feed isn't an RSS reader, and the Like button isn't Subscribe. I would suggest just posting once a day, and using the Promoted Posts for t…

Ha! Yes so true - I remember reading this and thinking, "Oh, when I 'liked' something, I didn't know I was subscribing to their feed..."

Re: Facebook, I want my friends back

#104
post #24

The whole premise of this article is "Facebook gave me this access to their platform for free hitherto, so I'm entitled to this access on those same terms in perpetuity; it's unfair for them to start charging for it." I don't see the author explaini why s/he is entitled to these same terms forever.

Personally, I thought it was awesome that Hem and Haw were linking to Who Moved My Cheese? and suggesting someone else needed to read it. This seems to be a very cut-and-dry Who Moved My Cheese scenario.

Re: Facebook, I want my friends back

#105
post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You talk about rational thought, but then go off on a tangent hoping all small business disappears? I'm curious what has made you so hateful towards both people who hold some ideal (that you don't share), and towards small businesses. In particular, the best restaurants in the world are small, not chains. Chains are always mediocre by their very nature. Unlike in software, which can be replicated and exported perfect…

> In particular, the best restaurants in the world are small. So are the worst.

Sure, and the market won't likely be kind to them.

My point is that it's illogical to "think most [small businesses] should be out of business". By their continued existence and success we can see first hand that they deserve to be in business. There are even really high end and successful places that ban cell phones and still do well. Sometimes places do well because of quirks like these. Other times not. There are many variables.

The market behaves as it does, despite what anybody thinks it should do.

Re: Facebook, I want my friends back

#106
post #88
post #58

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So what? Annoying pages can get un-liked, and the problem will work itself out. But if someone is a "Fan" of the brand and wants to see all of their 15 posts in a day, it's frustrating they can't. The default in Facebook is always "Most Popular", and even when I change it to "Most Recent" (to see the long tail of my friends activities, since I don't trust Facebook), Facebook always sets it back.

As a rule, I don't "Like" sites, but I was unaware that it actually meant "subscribe me to this."

That bugs me too. I like a lot of things, but I don't want to hear or see any of them in my timeline.

I used to click "Like" on various things in Facebook, but after starting to see them in my feed I immediately un-Liked them. I'm willing to tell my friends I like Logitech keyboards, but I'm not willing to see whatever posts the Logitech PR decides to write. If I'm interested to learn about what new keyboards/mice there are in the market, I'll find it myself, thanks.

Clicking "Like" used to be a fun, whimsical thing. Now it's been turned into a marketing vehicle (I don't fault FB for doing that), so now it's more like a "Spam me please" button. It feels like more of a business exchange rather than an expression of my preferences.

Re: Facebook, I want my friends back

#107
post #58
post #28

If you're posting 10-16 posts a day and you forcibly put each of these into 100% of your fans, you're going to shrink your base. If you did that to me, I'm going to hide or Unlike your page. If you emailed me those posts, I'd be hitting unsubscribe in half a day. The Facebook News Feed isn't an RSS reader, and the Like button isn't Subscribe. I would suggest just posting once a day, and using the Promoted Posts for t…

So what? Annoying pages can get un-liked, and the problem will work itself out. But if someone is a "Fan" of the brand and wants to see all of their 15 posts in a day, it's frustrating they can't. The default in Facebook is always "Most Popular", and even when I change it to "Most Recent" (to see the long tail of my friends activities, since I don't trust Facebook), Facebook always sets it back.

Why are you thinking from just on page's perspective? Most of the time a page is liked when a friend of the user shares a post from the page that the user finds interesting, it may be a kitten image, funny joke, a post about your favorite movie/actor, or about a good food on a restaurant etc. Number of pages he likes depends on how much he uses Facebook. If he is moderately active the number of pages he likes would certainly reach 3 digit number. Now imagine 15 posts per day from each of the pages! It is definitely annoying. Now you are saying about "Most Popular" setting, on which criteria will you define a post belongs to popular category? Recommendation engine is a hard problem. Page owners may complain that their pages are not getting any traction. So I think it is a fair option to pay a small price to Facebook to make sure that the post of the page will surely reach to its followers.

Re: Facebook, I want my friends back

#108
post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Facebook has enough data to know how close you are to people, and there's even a "Close Friends" list you can add people to in order to see all of their posts. Your friends who want to see your posts will see them. Those who are ambivalent might not, and you can pay to make it show up for them.

Facebook's data doesn't tell them how close you actually are to people, only how often you like/share/respond to their content -- and how many other people like their stuff. The guy who spams 30 lame political memes per day, who I might argue with a couple times a week, gets treated like my best friend. My mom, who posts maybe once a month and has a limited friends list, gets hidden away in the deep recesses of the s…

Has that actually happened to you? I doubt it, especially if you've indicated she's your mother on Facebook. People who post rarely would show up more often when they do post in any reasonable weighting scheme.

"Close" was a loaded word to use. Facebook knows how often you interact with someone's content, how often you view someone's profile, how closely connected your social network is with someone, etc. Facebook's algorithm is working for people, which I think is a valid counter to the folks who think all their posts should show up for all of their friends.

Re: Facebook, I want my friends back

#109
post #29
post #24

The whole premise of this article is "Facebook gave me this access to their platform for free hitherto, so I'm entitled to this access on those same terms in perpetuity; it's unfair for them to start charging for it." I don't see the author explaini why s/he is entitled to these same terms forever.

I think this quote explains it nicely: >I used to get a great deal from using Facebook—but I understood it to be a two-way reciprocal arrangement because I was driving traffic back to Facebook as well, and reinforcing their brand awareness with prominent widgets on our blog

Now Facebook has lots of brand awareness and decides it could live without any individual blog's widgets. What an unpredictable turn of events!

Re: Facebook, I want my friends back

#110

OK, I get that DangerousMinds posts a ridiculous amount and would definitely be deleted from my account and probably should have to pay for advertising on an ad platform, but what about other use cases: I run a nonprofit alumni association here in Boston and I use FB as a way to update alumni of changes in events so that we can limit the numbers of emails we send. We were using Facebook as sort of an information plat…

For something like an association or a team organization, a Facebook group would make a lot more sense. That lets you make sure your messages get to everyone.
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