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The island where people forget to die

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Re: The island where people forget to die

#41
post #8

I hate this kind of reporting. I read through the entire first page without the slightest clue as to what the article is actually about -- I'm pretty sure it's not all just for one guy's life story. But by that point I was tired of reading, and quit. Cut it out with the pathos and human interest, and get some of the real point in there quicker.

This sort of thinking is actually a large part of the piece.. I'd highly recommend giving it an honest and unaffected read, it's thought-provoking stuff

It's not that I'm mister "New-York-City always pushing to not waste a minute". My complaint is primarily that the structure pretends to be human-centered, in fact it's nothing but a formula.

Modern news reporting dictates that the journalist kick off with something personally identifiable, and only then ease into the facts. The reasons for this are obvious, I think: readers are more likely to connect with, and thus read, a story that they find strikes a chord with them personally; so let's try to cast about with some pathos, and maybe we'll hit some notes in that chord.

But just as with seeing reported gore or pr0n on reddit, repetition of the same formula over time loses its valence with the reader.

I'm tired of that formula in article after article. I want the journalists to find new ways to accomplish it.

It's not this article specifically; this is just one example. It struck me at this time, though, because it's pretty long, and I got through a pretty good chunk of it without a single direct reference to the article's thesis, so it was quite egregious.

Re: The island where people forget to die

#42

Arguing anything other than differences in levels of exercise/activity and calorie intake has a large mountain of evidence to overcome. The effects of those two are very large, the effects of everything else comparatively small per decades of animal and longitudinal human studies. Nonsense about antioxidants in the diet is exactly that: nonsense. The weight of evidence suggests that, if anything, ingested antioxidant…

"Arguing anything other than differences in levels of exercise/activity and calorie intake has a large mountain of evidence to overcome."

Not accurate. Smoking takes about 10 years off life expectancy, which is thought to be the reason why hispanics have a longer life expectancy than non-hispanic whites in the US. Mental illness takes another 10 - 15 years off life expectancy. Being religious adds a couple years to life expectancy, as does social belongingness in general.

Re: The island where people forget to die

#43
post #36

TIL that even if you study longevity for 10+ years, you're never allowed to share anecdotes (or god forbid, close with a joke) ever again unless you're prepared to be crucified by twentysomething pseudo-experts in Silicon Valley.

TIL if you're a twentysomething you're not allowed to have critical opinions. It goes both ways.

Qualitative difference between expert with years of experience and twentysomethings lacking any experience justifies it not working both ways.

Re: The island where people forget to die

#45
post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

TIL if you're a twentysomething you're not allowed to have critical opinions. It goes both ways.

Qualitative difference between expert with years of experience and twentysomethings lacking any experience justifies it not working both ways.

Are you seriously suggesting that as long as anyone has been working on something for years, that we should accept what he says without looking at it in a critical way? The enlightenment must have passed you by.

Re: The island where people forget to die

#46
post #32

Arguing anything other than differences in levels of exercise/activity and calorie intake has a large mountain of evidence to overcome. The effects of those two are very large, the effects of everything else comparatively small per decades of animal and longitudinal human studies. Nonsense about antioxidants in the diet is exactly that: nonsense. The weight of evidence suggests that, if anything, ingested antioxidant…

The other problem with blue zones is, they could just be a statistical blip. It's especially bad when you try to identify things like centurions, or spontaneous remission of cancer - things which are rare are the most prone to statistical blips.

I think you mean centenarians. Centurions were Roman foot soldiers.

Re: The island where people forget to die

#47
post #9

Arguing anything other than differences in levels of exercise/activity and calorie intake has a large mountain of evidence to overcome. The effects of those two are very large, the effects of everything else comparatively small per decades of animal and longitudinal human studies. Nonsense about antioxidants in the diet is exactly that: nonsense. The weight of evidence suggests that, if anything, ingested antioxidant…

Not to mention the fact, that the man could've been simply misdiagnosed. It was 60s after all...

It's always possible of course, but from the article:

As he recalls, nine other doctors confirmed the diagnosis.

So if true, chances of a misdiagnosis are pretty slim.

Re: The island where people forget to die

#48

I hate this kind of reporting. I read through the entire first page without the slightest clue as to what the article is actually about -- I'm pretty sure it's not all just for one guy's life story. But by that point I was tired of reading, and quit. Cut it out with the pathos and human interest, and get some of the real point in there quicker.

I usually start at the 3rd or 4th paragraph to cut through the BS. If it sounds interesting, then I'll go back and read the beginning.

Re: The island where people forget to die

#49
post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not to mention the fact, that the man could've been simply misdiagnosed. It was 60s after all...

It's possible but not so likely, the 60s was not the Middle Ages. In any case, he was clearly very sick when he returned to the island and eventually felt better, became strong and lived into his 90's. Not that that proves anything in itself. It's just a journalistic device to illustrate the point of the story which is that people on this island do live a remarkably long time and that it's worth asking why this is so…

The odds of a random person being misdiagnosed are quite low. The odds of a person diagnosed with a terminal disease who goes into spontaneous remission having been previously misdiagnosed are quite a lot higher.

Re: The island where people forget to die

#50

Arguing anything other than differences in levels of exercise/activity and calorie intake has a large mountain of evidence to overcome. The effects of those two are very large, the effects of everything else comparatively small per decades of animal and longitudinal human studies. Nonsense about antioxidants in the diet is exactly that: nonsense. The weight of evidence suggests that, if anything, ingested antioxidant…

And anecdotes about remission can be really dangerous. I've seen people who had spontaneous remission while taking some quack remedy and then parade their story around to convince people not to do evidence-based treatments.
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