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Metro and Unity Are Teenage Girls With Fluorescent Hair

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Re: Metro and Unity Are Teenage Girls With Fluorescent Hair

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Post by jamesmiller5 »

JeremyMorgan wrote: post #14
jamesmiller5 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The metaphor chosen is weak because it requires a generalization of others choices that is false. "Remember the girls in school who were not overly ugly or attractive yet still wanted to be the center of attention?" No, I remember individuals who died their hair because they liked the style and wanted to express what it meant to them.

I think you missed the point.

In all sincerity I appreciate the concern, and I do understand the comparison the author has made, I even agree with some of the observations.

Re: Metro and Unity Are Teenage Girls With Fluorescent Hair

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Post by sp332 »

revdinosaur wrote: post #16
Arceliapfa wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you look hard enough, anything can offend you.

What is your improved description for the remark describing girls as "not overly ugly or attractive yet still wanted to be the center of attention" besides casually misogynist? I am genuinely curious. Since when does a (seemingly) objective description of a girl's attractiveness give them the social blessing to behave a certain way? I'm not offended; I'm bored with the laziness of the analogy.

"They often had many good qualities, but they didn’t think so. These girls felt they have nothing better to offer so they went with outlandish styles to attract attention." That doesn't seem misogynistic. It seems like he's describing their own bad judgement, not his.

Re: Metro and Unity Are Teenage Girls With Fluorescent Hair

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Post by revdinosaur »

cobrausn wrote: post #13
revdinosaur wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a casual misogyny to the premise that ignores the face that plenty of teenage boys do/did the same things for the same reasons.

It's obviously a (weak) personal anecdote. To expect everyone's personal anecdotes to contain a gender-neutral worldview compatible with the latest revision of social progressivism is unreasonable at best. To then accuse that person of misogyny because of it? Equally weak - basically an accusation of 'thought crime' based off an incomplete record of thoughts.

I was merely describing the analogy as misogynist, but if you wish to extend the label to the speaker you have every right to attempt that. If we are to discuss the rhetoric of my comment, though, I think that weasel words such as "thought crime" are also weak and loaded to the point of being useless in this context. Thoughts are distinct from written words. Edit: typo

Re: Metro and Unity Are Teenage Girls With Fluorescent Hair

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Post by sp332 »

emehrkay wrote: post #18

A better analogy for Windows 8 is a recently divorced older man who decides that the club scene is where he should be, so he starts dressing differently in an attempt to attract younger mates. However, he can still be dad to his teenage kids, but prefers that they call him by his new nickname: P-money. "Dad, ugghh, I mean pmoney ..." Some of the best ADULTS that i've worked with had pink hair, tattoos, and were into…

To be fair, tattoos are permanent :)

Re: Metro and Unity Are Teenage Girls With Fluorescent Hair

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Post by Kurtz79 »

I can't speak for Windows 8, but I'm a 'hacker', and I'm using Unity right now, I don't see what's the fuss about it.

I hate the sidebar, just like I hate the Windows Start Menu, but I can't see any reason to use it(then again I'm a vim person, and keyboard/shortcut oriented).

I love being able to call up the search window and select the app or document I'm looking for in two/three keystrokes, tops, much faster than looking it up in a menu with a mouse.

If I want to see which apps are active or switch on the fly then I go ALT-TAB and ALT-tilde.

You can use the interface like a power user or a general user, you are given the option to do both.

Re: Metro and Unity Are Teenage Girls With Fluorescent Hair

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Post by nohorse »

He showed his hand there in the second to last sentence. Apple UI is stale. The grid-of-dancing icons in iOS and bouncy-bouncy dock in OSX with it's faux 3D reflections is insulting and tired in my opinion. It's OK to love a stale UI. But why attack UI that is forward thinking?

Re: Metro and Unity Are Teenage Girls With Fluorescent Hair

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Post by incision »

mycroftiv wrote: post #4

There are a lot of problems with Metro and Unity, but starting your essay by ridiculing the fashion choices of non-conformist teen girls is absolutely the wrong way to frame the discussion. The essay would be much stronger without the off-target metaphor of the title and first paragraph.

I tend to think it's best to stay away all forms of analogy unless the goal is demonstrative and abstract enough to fully warrant it. Using a bad metaphor to kick off an otherwise straightforward argument is asinine.

Re: Metro and Unity Are Teenage Girls With Fluorescent Hair

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Post by mnicole »

sp332 wrote: post #22
revdinosaur wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is your improved description for the remark describing girls as "not overly ugly or attractive yet still wanted to be the center of attention" besides casually misogynist? I am genuinely curious. Since when does a (seemingly) objective description of a girl's attractiveness give them the social blessing to behave a certain way? I'm not offended; I'm bored with the laziness of the analogy.

"They often had many good qualities, but they didn’t think so. These girls felt they have nothing better to offer so they went with outlandish styles to attract attention." That doesn't seem misogynistic. It seems like he's describing their own bad judgement, not his.

Because it's insinuating those girls actually feel that way and are acting out because of it, instead of assuming they're confident enough to make these decisions because they actually want to. If every girl/person you see with unconventional style is presumed to be weak because you think they're doing it for attention, that's discrimination with a hint of ego for not having to 'stoop' to those tactics.

This is similar to throwing goth kids under the bus for obviously all being from broken homes, worshiping the devil and wanting to shoot up their schools. Why do we treat people coming out of their shell and avoiding the status quo as weakness instead of strength?

Re: Metro and Unity Are Teenage Girls With Fluorescent Hair

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Post by JeremyMorgan »

mycroftiv wrote: post #4

There are a lot of problems with Metro and Unity, but starting your essay by ridiculing the fashion choices of non-conformist teen girls is absolutely the wrong way to frame the discussion. The essay would be much stronger without the off-target metaphor of the title and first paragraph.

Perhaps the metaphor was crap, my point was I feel these desktops are a cheap and silly way to attract attention to an otherwise good operating system.

I was trying to draw the parallel with girls who do crazy things to get attention when they have better qualities to share. It seems like that point wasn't well drawn out, which is my fault.

Re: Metro and Unity Are Teenage Girls With Fluorescent Hair

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Post by JeremyMorgan »

Kurtz79 wrote: post #25

I can't speak for Windows 8, but I'm a 'hacker', and I'm using Unity right now, I don't see what's the fuss about it. I hate the sidebar, just like I hate the Windows Start Menu, but I can't see any reason to use it(then again I'm a vim person, and keyboard/shortcut oriented). I love being able to call up the search window and select the app or document I'm looking for in two/three keystrokes, tops, much faster than…

Most people I've talked to hate Unity, a few say it's "OK" and a tiny fraction actually like it. If you like it and can use it that's great, but most people don't and their opinions are being ignored by Canonical.
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