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Re: iPad mini

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Post by conradfr »

netcan wrote: post #193
erichocean wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I bought a Nexus 7 for dev purposes, and I also use it more now than my iPad (3rd gen), mostly due to the size. It's a lot easier to hold for long periods of time. But truthfully, all the Nexus 7 really did was make me want an iPad mini, because the device itself is very frustrating. Reading a PDF? Half the screen is a garbly mess since only one page gets rendered nicely. Drives me nuts. Even Chrome (which runs plent…

My reaction was "I want a giant phone." I love reading with it and it's the perfect size to hold but it's an ironically poor size for typing. Too small to use with more than two fingers (like an ipad) and too big to type like a phone. Maybe the ipad mini's extra inch makes it a little more typing friendly (for people with smaller fingers).

It's called a Samsung Note.

Re: iPad mini

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Post by sswezey »

untog wrote: post #67
nirvana wrote: post #54

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This is what apple haters say about every Apple product. They said the iPhone would be a total flop and never sell the 10 million units Steve Jobs said they hoped to sell-- because it didn't have a hardware keyboard. They said it about the iPod too- claiming that having less capacity than the creative nomad and no built in radio made it "lame" (CmdrTaco famously said this.) They said it about the iMac as well, callin…

Any discussion involving the terms "apple hater" or "apple fanboy" immediately disappears into a hole of stupidity. That said, Apple are inviting some of these comparisons. "More expensive", for example. The iPad Mini is more expensive than a Nexus 7, by a significant margin. Apple invited the comparison by comparing the two devices themselves on stage .

Not only is it more expensive, it has a lower resolution and a larger screen - for lower pixel density. They then compare it to a Nexus 7, saying the iPad mini has more resolution and viewing area... 1064x768 is in no way more than 1280x800. Granted the different apps for tablet/phone was more apparent in iOS, but for browsing (which they touted as a major use) the iPad mini looks worse. Their Guggenheim example had more visible space on the Nexus 7.

Re: iPad mini

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Post by eco »

enraged_camel wrote: post #206
kaolinite wrote: post #192

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You've never been embarrassed or cringed as a result of someone else's actions?

Not if they weren't associated with me or my identity in some way.

Check out The Office if you want to experience it (UK or US) or Curb Your Enthusiasm.

Re: iPad mini

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Post by erichocean »

bduerst wrote: post #197
erichocean wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I bought a Nexus 7 for dev purposes, and I also use it more now than my iPad (3rd gen), mostly due to the size. It's a lot easier to hold for long periods of time. But truthfully, all the Nexus 7 really did was make me want an iPad mini, because the device itself is very frustrating. Reading a PDF? Half the screen is a garbly mess since only one page gets rendered nicely. Drives me nuts. Even Chrome (which runs plent…

I dunno, I like Chrome's zoom tap ability, which activates when the tap covers too many inputs. It's much nicer than accidently hitting a link, then have to hit back after a second or two.

Agreed, that feature's great.

What's annoying is when it doesn't pick up taps on links that stand alone, which is the case, on, e.g. HN. The tap "targeting" for Chrome seems particularly poor.

Re: iPad mini

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Post by diminish »

jpxxx wrote: post #138

There is no obvious reason this product isn't going to sell in huge quantities. Less conceptually fragile, less expensive, more portable, same software stack, same media stack, same OS, same UX, same premium experience, same monstrous manufacturing and distribution reach, same monstrous advertising and product awareness engine. Every single one of the children you see in restaurants working an iPad so mommy and daddy…

I disagree mostly with the parent and see in iPad mini few minuses for Apple; (1) 7.9" is slightly big to fit in pockets, (2) the non-retina display, and low resolution is a step backwards, (3) The lower net profit per person, will drag down Apple margins.(Now having the Apple logo seeable in a cafe will cost you lower) (4) The loss of credibility in previous marketing claims of perfect size for fingers similar to the move from 3.5" to 4.0" (5) will canibalize the bigger iPad.

Re: iPad mini

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Post by barrkel »

netcan wrote: post #193
erichocean wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I bought a Nexus 7 for dev purposes, and I also use it more now than my iPad (3rd gen), mostly due to the size. It's a lot easier to hold for long periods of time. But truthfully, all the Nexus 7 really did was make me want an iPad mini, because the device itself is very frustrating. Reading a PDF? Half the screen is a garbly mess since only one page gets rendered nicely. Drives me nuts. Even Chrome (which runs plent…

My reaction was "I want a giant phone." I love reading with it and it's the perfect size to hold but it's an ironically poor size for typing. Too small to use with more than two fingers (like an ipad) and too big to type like a phone. Maybe the ipad mini's extra inch makes it a little more typing friendly (for people with smaller fingers).

My GF loves her Note 2. Of course she carries it in a bag, but if you want a giant phone, that's the one to go for.

Re: iPad mini

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Post by alexhawdon »

diminish wrote: post #225
jpxxx wrote: post #138

There is no obvious reason this product isn't going to sell in huge quantities. Less conceptually fragile, less expensive, more portable, same software stack, same media stack, same OS, same UX, same premium experience, same monstrous manufacturing and distribution reach, same monstrous advertising and product awareness engine. Every single one of the children you see in restaurants working an iPad so mommy and daddy…

I disagree mostly with the parent and see in iPad mini few minuses for Apple; (1) 7.9" is slightly big to fit in pockets, (2) the non-retina display, and low resolution is a step backwards, (3) The lower net profit per person, will drag down Apple margins.(Now having the Apple logo seeable in a cafe will cost you lower) (4) The loss of credibility in previous marketing claims of perfect size for fingers similar to th…

A tablet that fits in your pocket... is a phone.

I honestly can't tell whether it's the 'new Apple product' shine, but I like the idea of a 7.9inch screen better than a 7inch.

Re: iPad mini

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Post by mikeash »

MatthewPhillips wrote: post #184
tharris0101 wrote: post #167

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I couldn't have said it better myself. I'd never use this product but I'm sure it will do great. I've been really critical of Apple lately, but I can't find any reason to get upset over this announcement. I find it funny how people are railing against this announcement just because its not useful to them. There are a million different needs and uses out there for different people.

A. A person thinks a product is underwhelming. B. That same product sells very well. A and B do not contradict. B does not invalidate A.

That depends on context. A often comes with an implied, "underwhelming for everybody and thus it won't sell well."

Re: iPad mini

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Post by bobsy »

I don't really understand the point. Don't Apple now have 4 devices which do the same thing?

iPod + iPhone.. as far as I can tell are identical apart from the iPod cannot make calls.

iPad is a giant version of the iPod... which I really like to use to browse the web on the sofa.

We now have the iPad Mini which is that awkward size which is too big put in your pocket and yet you don't want to put it in your backpack as you could put your netbook / iPad / laptop in your bag.

I am sure they will sell plenty. I just don't really get it. Its like innovation has stalled at Apple. How many sizes can we make the iPhone?

Beyond this the iMac is incredibly disappointing. Its thin! Oh well. No SDD. No Retina Display. Probably has a little spec boost over last model. Its disappointing. Glad I didn't wait for it.

Re: iPad mini

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Post by mark_l_watson »

diminish wrote: post #225
jpxxx wrote: post #138

There is no obvious reason this product isn't going to sell in huge quantities. Less conceptually fragile, less expensive, more portable, same software stack, same media stack, same OS, same UX, same premium experience, same monstrous manufacturing and distribution reach, same monstrous advertising and product awareness engine. Every single one of the children you see in restaurants working an iPad so mommy and daddy…

I disagree mostly with the parent and see in iPad mini few minuses for Apple; (1) 7.9" is slightly big to fit in pockets, (2) the non-retina display, and low resolution is a step backwards, (3) The lower net profit per person, will drag down Apple margins.(Now having the Apple logo seeable in a cafe will cost you lower) (4) The loss of credibility in previous marketing claims of perfect size for fingers similar to th…

I think the 1024x768 screen resolution is probably a smart move: same as my old iPad 2, but smaller. Not retina display quality, but not adding a retina display allowed the iPad mini to be less than half the weight.

That said, my Samsung Galaxy S III has 1280x720 resolution which makes it really nice for watching Netflix, TED videos, etc. And the Galaxy phone is very light weight.

I have decided to not buy anymore Apple gear, but if not for that, if I was in the market for an iPad, I would rather have this smaller one that is less than half the weight.

I see the mini competing more with 'super phones' like the Samsung Galaxy S III.

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