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European Commission Trials Matrix to Replace Teams

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Re: European Commission Trials Matrix to Replace Teams

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Post by blitzar »

tamimio wrote: post #38
Arathorn wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Matrix is a decentralised encrypted chat protocol on which you could build something like Zulip, except decentralised and end-to-end encrypted. Element is the actual app being trialled here, which feels more like Slack and/or Signal than Zulip. The point is that you get something you can selfhost while also interoperating with other deployments… while also encrypting the data end-to-end with Signal protocol.

Yeah I would love to see a new professional application based on Matrix, Element is buggy, other apps lacking too.

> Element is buggy

Someone should tell the CEO/CTO of Element

Re: European Commission Trials Matrix to Replace Teams

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Post by layer8 »

neom wrote: post #12

I'm surprised Mattermost doesn't get more love generally, it's fully oss isn't it? https://github.com/mattermost/mattermost

Anything “sovereign” should decouple the protocol from the client software IMO, which isn’t possible with Mattermost.

Re: European Commission Trials Matrix to Replace Teams

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Post by steve1977 »

iso1631 wrote: post #34
AndrewKemendo wrote: post #4

Help me here Why can’t a company in the EU make a secure video/voice chat app? There’s are EU companies that make teams alternatives: https://euroalternative.eu/alternatives/microsoft-teams Even if those don’t work SAP, Dassault, etc… make massively complex software and services across multiple verticals and could trivially ship a competitor

Zoom came along with a securre video/voice chat, sure it's American, but it was by far the world leader Microsoft then used its monopoly in office tools to push Teams to everyone You can't compete with a trillion dollar company offering your product as a bundle your clients already pay for, even if your product is better. Even VC money runs out eventually

To be fair, Microsoft already had Skype (for Business) and NetMeeting before that. It's not like they were new to that market. NetMeeting existed for more than a decade before Zoom even came into existence.

Zoom had COVID-19 play in it's favor, that's about it.

Re: European Commission Trials Matrix to Replace Teams

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Post by pseudalopex »

Macha wrote: post #23
mhitza wrote: post #14

Can someone that uses Matrix compare it to Zulip? Which would have been my "obvious" choice. Is it functionally comparable, discussion threads and all? Or is it much closer to something like Discord?

Matrix has threads. So does discord, but discords UI around them basically renders them functionally useless. Anyway, the first goal listed in this project was to move to European sovereign solutions so Zulip failed at the first hurdle. Given the (lack of) speed of European bureaucracy, this is likely more a reaction to the US sanctioning the ICC than the more recent Greenland saber rattling, but you'll probably see…

> Anyway, the first goal listed in this project was to move to European sovereign solutions so Zulip failed at the first hurdle.

Element Creations Ltd and The Matrix.org Foundation CIC are UK companies.

Re: European Commission Trials Matrix to Replace Teams

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Post by Teever »

yabones wrote: post #39

My team started using Matrix/Element after years of frustration with Teams and Slack. It's far from perfect, but using a simple application with no built-in ads, AI, bloat, crap, etc is wonderful. I really hope the EU throws some serious money at them to get the bugs worked out, add some minor features, and clean up the UX enough that an "office normie" can onboard as easily as MS. My dream is that Matrix can do for…

The key is the money.

I’ve used matrix for years, ran my own federated server for a while.

I’ve been critical of the user experience and issues with how it’s handled by the matrix team before but I acknowledge that by and large these problems can be fixed with money.

Big players need to put their big boy pants on and throw a couple coins from their farcically large coin purse and they can drive a stake through the wretched heart that is Teams.

Re: European Commission Trials Matrix to Replace Teams

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Post by iknowstuff »

stock_toaster wrote: post #17

zulip seems to me like it would be a better solution to me (open source, self hostible, familiar paradigm, etc), but then again, I think _anything_ would be better than teams... so more power to them!

France’s government uses Matrix. Presumably a nice perk to be able to talk to them via federation

Re: European Commission Trials Matrix to Replace Teams

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Post by simfree »

uyzstvqs wrote: post #47

This does not bode well. Matrix is honestly not good, as someone who has tried to use it. It's slow, janky, often unstable, and poorly standardized. My suggestion: https://threema.com/en/products/work (hosted) or https://zulip.com/ (OSS self-hosted).

It works faster & better than Signal Desktop.
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