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Re: Show HN: Octosphere, a tool to decentralise scientific publishing

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Are you aware of the current efforts by researchers on Bluesky to build a new researchers platform on ATProto? (Forget the project name at the moment) If not, same handle over there, I can get you in touch with them. Or hit up Boris, he knows everyone and is happy to make connections There's also a full day at the upcoming conference on ATProto & scientific related things. I think they com on discourse more (?)

Isn't ATProto just a compromised version of Activity Pub, basically designed around an excuse to force all users into a data mining firehose structure like twitter used to have only there's no privacy features or federation for moderation controls?

That's what the haters proclaim, it's from a position of bias and/or jealousy

ATProtocol made a decision, based on the other protocols, to put more emphasis on user experience. If you want to build a new social media fabric for everyone, they have to want to use it. AP / Nostr have UX that will never appeal to the masses.

Re: Show HN: Octosphere, a tool to decentralise scientific publishing

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Isn't ATProto just a compromised version of Activity Pub, basically designed around an excuse to force all users into a data mining firehose structure like twitter used to have only there's no privacy features or federation for moderation controls?

Disclaimer: i'm rather hostile to ATProto for reinventing the wheel without bringing much value over AP/XMPP/Matrix. I don't think that's a fair characterization. Most AP implementations famously don't have privacy features: it was by design (and therefore no surprise to us tech folks), but i remember it was quite the scandal when users found out Mastodon instance admins could read users' private messages. A later "s…

> But now, i'm slowly warming up to the ATmosphere having a vibrant development community.

I build in the ATmosphere because I want to effect change. AP was hostile, Nostr is for crypto bros. The @dev community is one of the strongest pieces and attractors

One way I like to think about how the protocol is different is that they made a giant event system for the public content and then let anyone plug in anywhere they want

https://atproto.com/articles/atproto-for-distsys-engineers

Re: Show HN: Octosphere, a tool to decentralise scientific publishing

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Isn't ATProto just a compromised version of Activity Pub, basically designed around an excuse to force all users into a data mining firehose structure like twitter used to have only there's no privacy features or federation for moderation controls?

Yes. Nostr and ActivityPub are so easy too, I don't see much advantage to ATProto and so many disadvantages. It's as decentralized as a meme coin, just waiting for the rug pull. To me something git-like with a peer review UI (a la pull requests) seems far more natural for distributed academic publications than a social media protocol though.

It's for more than publishing, it's for science, which involves people collaborating and communicating

Re: Show HN: Octosphere, a tool to decentralise scientific publishing

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Integrate them peer review process and you’ve got a disrupter

Peer review should be disrupted, but doing peer review via social media is not the way to go.

It's a peer review platform build on atproto tech (aiui the vision), not to be social media, though I would not be surprised if it has elements of that

Peer review goes beyond the formal process, in the court of IRL. Social media is one place people talk about new research, share their evaluations and insights, and good work gets used and cited more.

Arxiv has been invaluable in starting to change the process, but we need more.

Re: Show HN: Octosphere, a tool to decentralise scientific publishing

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I think for smaller software papers or ML learning on arxiv this might work. For larger papers on biomedical or hard-tech, I think it is much less likely. I struggle to keep up with BioRxiv.org as a medical professional, many articles would require 2 hours+ to confidently review as a professional and I would never trust a "public" review algorithm or network to necessarily do a great job. If you allow weekly updates…

> many articles would require 2 hours+ to confidently review as a professional I think ML (and really all other fields) are the same. Skimming a paper never really leaves you certain of how rigorous it is. I agree that a naive "just add voting" "review" mechanism would not suffice to replace journals. However there's no requirement that the review algorithm be so naive. Looked at differently, what is a journal except…

I agree with your points overall. Regarding "what is a journal except for a complicated algorithm for performing reviews"? I think one point is that there is a hard-to-quantify social contract between the journal editors and specialized reviewers, which are partially hand-selected over many years (and opaque). Editors overall do rely on verifiable experts in the field with an established reputation, both publically and privately. Reviewers can have some sort of direct interaction with the editors, coming with opaque trust-verification. Editors also tend to go to scientific meetings as well and do have undocumented or unofficial interactions with scientists (and their favorite reviewers). Now, reviewers might ask their students to review a paper and they sign off on that after a quick skim, but not all of them do and especially if the paper has more caliber/weight to it, they do tend to take it seriously personally.

Another issue when going to a decentralized tool is that I think it should apply some sort of gate-keeping to only allow academics or verified scientists to contribute reviews, but then you also need a way to prevent bias/friend/self-citation network interactions between the academic reviewers, which means you would need to keep good track of them? Not sure how to handle that.

Re: Show HN: Octosphere, a tool to decentralise scientific publishing

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Yes. Nostr and ActivityPub are so easy too, I don't see much advantage to ATProto and so many disadvantages. It's as decentralized as a meme coin, just waiting for the rug pull. To me something git-like with a peer review UI (a la pull requests) seems far more natural for distributed academic publications than a social media protocol though.

So I briefly touched on this in the blog post, but to expand a little... ATProto provides significantly more "batteries included" than ActivityPub in my view - if you use ATProto, it can handle both authentication and identity management, and effectively act as your back-end and CRUD operations (eg, oauth with your PDS, and then write/read from the network for your object creation based on your Lexicon). ActivityPub,…

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Re: Show HN: Octosphere, a tool to decentralise scientific publishing

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While I appreciate no gatekeeping, the other side of the coin is gatekeeping via bots (vote manipulation). Something like rotten tomatoes could be useful. Have a list of "verified" users (critic score) in a separate voting column as anon users (audience score). This will often serve useful in highly controversial situations to parse common narratives.

I'm not sure anonymous users should be able to join. Arxiv's system of only allowing academic users seems fine for this, although exceptions could be made for industry researchers.

I meant "anonymous" to mean general public rather than truly anonymous. Could still have id requirements.

"Academic" in your example requires a vague umbrella which often is unenforceable in decentralized systems.

Re: Show HN: Octosphere, a tool to decentralise scientific publishing

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> many articles would require 2 hours+ to confidently review as a professional I think ML (and really all other fields) are the same. Skimming a paper never really leaves you certain of how rigorous it is. I agree that a naive "just add voting" "review" mechanism would not suffice to replace journals. However there's no requirement that the review algorithm be so naive. Looked at differently, what is a journal except…

I agree with your points overall. Regarding "what is a journal except for a complicated algorithm for performing reviews"? I think one point is that there is a hard-to-quantify social contract between the journal editors and specialized reviewers, which are partially hand-selected over many years (and opaque). Editors overall do rely on verifiable experts in the field with an established reputation, both publically a…

20260216 For future reference: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-025-03967-9

Seemed relevant in this thread.

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