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Re: How To Strip DRM from Kindle E-Books and Others

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All O'Reilly ebooks are DRM-free. http://shop.oreilly.com/category/ebooks.do

Are they if I buy them through Amazon?

Dunno - I don't buy ebooks from Amazon. See above :)

More to the point - why would you?? Going via Amazon is just adding one extra step to a transaction. Buy direct.

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He publicly admitted that he cracks his ebooks. IANAL, but his missteps would be much easier to proof in court, compared to the case of the Norwegian kindle user. But for some reason, I strongly doubt Amazon will ban him...

But for some reason, I strongly doubt Amazon will ban him...

And the point is that even if they ban him and try to delete his library, they will fail because he has backups without DRM.

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All you lawyers: Is removing / tampering with Kindle DRM legal in this case? Considering we bought the material?

It all comes down to the end user agreement you agree to when purchasing the ebook. Content providers are within their right to define how they want their copyrighted works to be used - though a judge could potentially throw out the end user agreement in court.

So, if Amazon stipulates that you should not tamper with or remove the DRM from the ebook, it's a violation of your purchase agreement if you do.

Basically, you agree to not remove the DRM when you pay them for their content. The only legal alternative is to not buy from them.

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If your books have no DRM, how will DRM screw you over? Isn't that the point of this posting?

Some people are refusing to pay Amazon (or other providers) for DRMd content - a boycott of anything with DRM. Some people are not going to break any laws, even if those laws are mostly technical and not going to be enforced. And providing means to remove DRM is more problematic because the law is enforced a bit more rigorously there.

My understanding is that removing DRM for personal use only is legal in the US.

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The real problem is there is nothing that requires companies to provide continued access to DRM-encumbered media; they can turn it off whenever they want. In my opinion, if a company can't or won't provide a way for a customer to access their purchased files, then they should be required by law to provide a way for the customer to un-DRM those files.

I would think that the problem is that one of the reasons people like Amazon want to use DRM is to ensure that no DRM free copies of the media exist. One DRM-free copy can multiply into 1 million DRM free copies very quickly.

Of course in reality this is laughably unworkable unless they release a future version of the kindle which requires DRMd media.

Re: How To Strip DRM from Kindle E-Books and Others

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If your books have no DRM, how will DRM screw you over? Isn't that the point of this posting?

Some people are refusing to pay Amazon (or other providers) for DRMd content - a boycott of anything with DRM. Some people are not going to break any laws, even if those laws are mostly technical and not going to be enforced. And providing means to remove DRM is more problematic because the law is enforced a bit more rigorously there.

I am coming to a similar opinion with respect to the music and movie industries. For example, there are a few long since syndicated and no longer frequently broadcast TV shows that I and my family would gladly pay for. But there is no option to do so. We have purchased a few others, to be greatly disappointed when we found all the music changed, in cases where the music was closely tied into the plot.

Every item I purchase from these content owners contributes to the efforts they are making including to privatize and balkanize the Internet. Therefore, I will no longer spend my money in a fashion that contributes to this.

A fellow in... France, I believe, wrote a very pointed and eloquent article/post on precisely this point, some months back.

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Yeah, but even if they're DRM-free Amazon can still take them away - http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4682392 Until they offer a cast-iron, legally-binding guarantee that any ebook I buy from them cannot be taken away from me, they don't get my money. If I buy a book, it's my book: If the bookshop I bought it from takes it back, then that's theft. As far as I'm concerned, the same holds true for ebooks. I buy it,…

They can't take them away from you if you backup your DRM-free books on a different media.

Why should the grandparent jump through the hoops though?

Also, isn't stripping DRM from Amazon ebooks against the TOS? Potentially exposing him/her to some legal trouble?

Re: How To Strip DRM from Kindle E-Books and Others

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All O'Reilly ebooks are DRM-free. http://shop.oreilly.com/category/ebooks.do

Are they if I buy them through Amazon?

Buy them directly from O'Reilly. Tim O'Reilly and crew were early and full-throated in their support for DRM-free content, and they deserve your support.

You can also watch one of their pages/blogs (it used to have an RSS feed, too, IIRC) for frequent sales, if you are looking for discounted prices.

Re: How To Strip DRM from Kindle E-Books and Others

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All you lawyers: Is removing / tampering with Kindle DRM legal in this case? Considering we bought the material?

It should be legal per fair use. But this is gray area. Logic wise - it should be 100% legal. But laws are often broken and stuff like DMCA is really messy.

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post #53

All you lawyers: Is removing / tampering with Kindle DRM legal in this case? Considering we bought the material?

It all comes down to the end user agreement you agree to when purchasing the ebook. Content providers are within their right to define how they want their copyrighted works to be used - though a judge could potentially throw out the end user agreement in court. So, if Amazon stipulates that you should not tamper with or remove the DRM from the ebook, it's a violation of your purchase agreement if you do. Basically, y…

EULAs can't override laws. Even if you break the EULA for legitimate purpose - you aren't necessarily breaking any laws.
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