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If the successful people you meet in real life are nice and you see lots of meanness on the internet, it probably just means that anonymity causes meanness.

Not really - I've seen some pretty mean people back in high school, because high school is one of the places where people are forced to be together, no matter what their preferences are.

But once one becomes an adult, there is a much greater leeway in choosing whom to interact with, so it is often possible to not interact with mean people at all.

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I like Paul Graham a lot but this is simply not true. Look at the most successful people of recent times and you will quickly see a consistent pattern of meanness when you dig into how they work with others: - Steve Jobs - Bill Gates - Elon Musk - Sam Altman - Etc.

But didn't all those people you list fail at the end of the day?

Bill Gates is not just unfaithful, he even considered slipping his wife STD medication to avoid having to talk about his state of affairs. He's now alone and the only people willing to care for him are probably very few old friends he didn't alienate, yet. The rest is just after his money.

Steve Jobs was an infamously bad father and husband, just as Elon Musk and they both suffered from it. Elon Musks own daughter is attacking him online. Think about that.

Elon Musk is on top of that a seriously pathetic individual. That is pretty obvious, isn't it.

Sam Altman ... I mean, just the accusations are so cringe and ignominious.

None of those people strike me as authentically happy and fulfilled. They all overstepped the mark and paid for it dearly or are in the process of doing so. They all suffered from their habits of being reckless and lacking compassion.

If failing for you means being broke or "not rich", then yes. But that would be a very narrow interpretation. Certainly not mine. I seriously pity all of them.

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He’s saying growth mindsets “win” and zero-sum players, the mean ones, stagnate. This is true as a system— who wants to invest with someone intent on gouging you— and it’s true as a function of effort— if you spend your time on petty tricks and tactics, you will, in the long run, “grow” very little.

I noticed that the media potrays Trump as a mean person. Help me reconcile this obseravtion with what you're saying?

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If the successful people you meet in real life are nice and you see lots of meanness on the internet, it probably just means that anonymity causes meanness.

Or that the internet is full of mean losers. Your premise assumes anyone with an internet connection is successful and I very much doubt that assumption holds water.

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He’s saying growth mindsets “win” and zero-sum players, the mean ones, stagnate. This is true as a system— who wants to invest with someone intent on gouging you— and it’s true as a function of effort— if you spend your time on petty tricks and tactics, you will, in the long run, “grow” very little.

I noticed that the media potrays Trump as a mean person. Help me reconcile this obseravtion with what you're saying?

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A velvet glove conceals the iron fist.

It may be that successful mean people just hide it well enough to seem nice and the "x-ray vision" of the author's wife doesn't work on everyone. Once a mean person's position is unassailable, the velvet gloves come off. Alternatively, money is power and power corrupts.

The current crop of billionaires are at the pinnacle of success (depending on how you define it), but most sure don't seem very nice, and that's with a large PR team working overtime to hide the meanness.

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