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Re: FBI couldn't get into WaPo reporter's iPhone because Lockdown Mode enabled

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Post by lm28469 »

skeptic_ai wrote: post #100
hnrayst wrote: post #4

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Still go to prison for not showing. So until devices have multiple pins for plausible deniability we are still screwed. What’s so hard to make 2-3 pins and each to access different logged in apps and files. If Apple/android was serious about it would implement it, but from my research seems to be someone that it’s against it, as it’s too good. I don’t want to remove my Banking apps when I go travel or in “dangerous”…

Yep, you need an emergency mode that completely resets the phone to factory settings, maybe triggered with a decoy pin. Or a mode that physically destroys the chip storing the keys

Re: FBI couldn't get into WaPo reporter's iPhone because Lockdown Mode enabled

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Post by WorldMaker »

3pt14159 wrote: post #93
steve-atx-7600 wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also, on iPhone, if you have face ID turned on, you can hold power+volume down (may differ depending on model) to force a passcode.

This doesn’t work for my iPhone that’s about three years old.

It's hold power+volume up (the "top two buttons" when reaching down into a pocket or purse and the phone) until the phone vibrates (~2s).

If you can see the screen, it's the fastest shortcut gesture to the screen that has "Slide to Power Off", "Medical ID", and "Emergency Call". Any other way to get to that screen also works to require a PIN before next unlock.

Re: FBI couldn't get into WaPo reporter's iPhone because Lockdown Mode enabled

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Post by lm28469 »

bitexploder wrote: post #120
skeptic_ai wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Still go to prison for not showing. So until devices have multiple pins for plausible deniability we are still screwed. What’s so hard to make 2-3 pins and each to access different logged in apps and files. If Apple/android was serious about it would implement it, but from my research seems to be someone that it’s against it, as it’s too good. I don’t want to remove my Banking apps when I go travel or in “dangerous”…

You do not. We have this thing in our constitution called the 5th amendment. You cannot be forced to divulge the contents of your mind, including your pin or passwords. Case law supports this. For US citizens at least. Hopefully the constitution is still worth something.

That's in the fantasy world of constitution maximalists. In real world it doesn't work like that and you might still lose money/time/your sanity fighting a system who cares less and less about your rights

Re: FBI couldn't get into WaPo reporter's iPhone because Lockdown Mode enabled

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Post by JasonADrury »

_qua wrote: post #47
JasonADrury wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you should simply try to read the warrant in question.

"...the requested warrants would permit law enforcement personnel to (1) press or swipe the fingers (including thumbs) of the subject to the fingerprint scanner of the devices..."

You're citing an affidavit produced by a FBI agent, the author is most likely not even a lawyer.

They're merely presenting a wishlist to the judge.

Re: FBI couldn't get into WaPo reporter's iPhone because Lockdown Mode enabled

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Post by josefresco »

rob wrote: post #80
coldpie wrote: post #59

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Good spot, thanks for pointing it out. I normally don't like the LLM accusation posts, but two posts from a brand new user in the same minute is a pretty huge red flag for bad behavior. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46886472 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46886470

This is another bot I pointed out yesterday: https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=Soerensen Their comment got flagged, but looks like they made a new one today and is still active. That account ('Soerensen') was created in 2024 and dormant until it made a bunch of detailed comments in the past 24-48 hrs. Some of them are multiple paragraph comments posted within 1 minute of each other. One thing I've noticed is th…

I wonder if it's actual users with dormant accounts who just setup their Moltbot?

Re: FBI couldn't get into WaPo reporter's iPhone because Lockdown Mode enabled

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Post by doublerabbit »

quenix wrote: post #97
boring-human wrote: post #62

Can a hacked phone (such as one that was not in Lockdown Mode at one point in time) persist in a hacked state? Obviously, the theoretical answer is yes, given an advanced-enough exploit. But let's say Apple is unaware of a specific rootkit. If each OS update is a wave, is the installed exploit more like a rowboat or a frigate? Will it likely be defeated accidentally by minor OS changes, or is it likely to endure? Thi…

Forget OS updates. The biggest obstacle to exploit persistence: a good old hard system reboot. Modern iOS has an incredibly tight secure chain-of-trust bootloader. If you shut your device to a known-off state (using the hardware key sequence), on power on, you can be 99.999% certain only Apple-signed code will run all the way from secureROM to iOS userland. The exception is if the secureROM is somehow compromised and…

It's why I keep my old iPhone XR on 15.x for jail breaking reasons. I purchased an a new phone specially for the later versions and online banking.

Apple bought out all the jail breakers as Denuvo did for the game crackers.

Re: FBI couldn't get into WaPo reporter's iPhone because Lockdown Mode enabled

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Post by stackghost »

bitexploder wrote: post #120
skeptic_ai wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Still go to prison for not showing. So until devices have multiple pins for plausible deniability we are still screwed. What’s so hard to make 2-3 pins and each to access different logged in apps and files. If Apple/android was serious about it would implement it, but from my research seems to be someone that it’s against it, as it’s too good. I don’t want to remove my Banking apps when I go travel or in “dangerous”…

You do not. We have this thing in our constitution called the 5th amendment. You cannot be forced to divulge the contents of your mind, including your pin or passwords. Case law supports this. For US citizens at least. Hopefully the constitution is still worth something.

You're forgetting about the Constitution-Free Zone within 100 miles of all points of entry including international airports that covers essentially all of the 48.

Re: FBI couldn't get into WaPo reporter's iPhone because Lockdown Mode enabled

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Post by ddtaylor »

twelvedogs wrote: post #115
cr125rider wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fourth and Fifth amendments disagree

I don't think we're doing amendments any more

And if we are it will be a new one with a high number and it will be pure insanity

Re: FBI couldn't get into WaPo reporter's iPhone because Lockdown Mode enabled

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Post by text0404 »

vincenzothgreat wrote: post #99
sigmoid10 wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With the US descending more and more into fascism (as this case highlights yet again), I wonder what will happen to these features in the future. Especially now that the tech moguls of silicon valley stopped standing up to Trump and instead started kissing his ass. Tim Cook in particular seems to be the kind of person that rather is on the rich side of history than the right side. What if the administration realizes…

How is it turning into fascism?

- Concentration of power in the executive, dismantling checks and balances

- Hyper-nationalism and white supremacist messaging

- Scapegoating of minorities

- Attacks on the press

- Attacks on constitutional rights

- Militarization of police, violence normalized

- Expansion of surveillance state

- Combination of state and corporate power

- Strongman authoritarianism

- Historical revisionism

- Interference in elections

Cheers!

Re: FBI couldn't get into WaPo reporter's iPhone because Lockdown Mode enabled

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Post by nxobject »

boring-human wrote: post #62

Can a hacked phone (such as one that was not in Lockdown Mode at one point in time) persist in a hacked state? Obviously, the theoretical answer is yes, given an advanced-enough exploit. But let's say Apple is unaware of a specific rootkit. If each OS update is a wave, is the installed exploit more like a rowboat or a frigate? Will it likely be defeated accidentally by minor OS changes, or is it likely to endure? Thi…

Re: reboots – TFA states that recent iPhones reboot every 3 days when inactive for the same reasons. Of course, now that we know that it's linked to inactivity, black hatters will know how to avoid it...
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