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FBI couldn't get into WaPo reporter's iPhone because Lockdown Mode enabled

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Re: FBI couldn't get into WaPo reporter's iPhone because Lockdown Mode enabled

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Takeaway is to not enable biometric unlock if you are concerned about your data being accessed by authorities.

Trick is not to use your right index finger as a biometric unlock finger (the button sits on the top right corner of the keyboard). If you are "forced" to unlock, the agents will guide your fingers and probably try that first 2-3 times. 2 more tries, and fingerprint reading gets disabled. Quite good odds.

Re: FBI couldn't get into WaPo reporter's iPhone because Lockdown Mode enabled

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Serious question: What are the "valid concerns" about people securing their computing devices against third parties?

Think of the children

The leaders of US government certainly do. Much too fondly.

Re: FBI couldn't get into WaPo reporter's iPhone because Lockdown Mode enabled

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Can a hacked phone (such as one that was not in Lockdown Mode at one point in time) persist in a hacked state? Obviously, the theoretical answer is yes, given an advanced-enough exploit. But let's say Apple is unaware of a specific rootkit. If each OS update is a wave, is the installed exploit more like a rowboat or a frigate? Will it likely be defeated accidentally by minor OS changes, or is it likely to endure? Thi…

Secure boot and verified system partition is supposed to help with that. It's for the same reason jailbreaks don't persist across reboots these days.

Re: FBI couldn't get into WaPo reporter's iPhone because Lockdown Mode enabled

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So in america, they can force you to use a biometric but they can't compel you to reveal your password? I mean, i agree with you, but its a really weird line in the sand to draw

Pretty much. Something you are: can be legally compelled Something you have: can be legally compelled Something you know: cannot be legally compelled

You can still be legally compelled to provide testimony, the catch is merely that you have to be granted immunity from being charged with a crime on the basis of any derived evidence. In this case, it seems that the WaPo journalist could still be compelled to provide such information if she's not charged for any crime.

Re: FBI couldn't get into WaPo reporter's iPhone because Lockdown Mode enabled

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The better rational counter argument is that "privacy is a human right enshrined in international law". Society has zero business knowing anyone's private communications, whether or not that person is a terrorist. There is nothing natural about being unable to talk to people privately without your speech being recorded for millions of people to view forever. Moreover, giving society absolute access to private communi…

Who decided absolute privacy in all circumstances is a fundamental human right? I don’t think any government endorses that position. I don’t know what international law you speak of. You’re basing your argument on an axiom that I don’t think everyone would agree with. This sounds like a Tim Cook aphorism (right before he hands the iCloud keys to the CCP) — not anything with any real legal basis.

Article 12 of the United Nation's Declaration of Human Rights:

> No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy [...]

which has later been affirmed to include digital privacy.

> I don’t think any government endorses that position.

Many governments are in flagrant violation of even their own privacy laws, but that does not make those laws any less real.

The UN's notion of human rights were an "axiom" founded from learned experience and the horrors that were committed in the years preceding their formation. Discarding them is to discard the wisdom we gained from the loss of tens of millions of people. And while you claim that society has a vested interest in violating a terrorist's privacy, you can only come to that conclusion if you engage in short-term thinking that terminates at exactly the step you violate the terrorist's rights and do not consider the consequences of anything beyond that; if you do consider the consequences it becomes clear that society collectively has a bigger vested interest in protecting the existence of human rights.

Re: FBI couldn't get into WaPo reporter's iPhone because Lockdown Mode enabled

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> forced her finger on Touch ID per the warrant She was not forced, and the warrant does not state that she could be forced. The warrant, almost certainly deliberately, uses far milder language.

By definition a warrant is force backed by state violence

Re: FBI couldn't get into WaPo reporter's iPhone because Lockdown Mode enabled

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I trust 404 media more than most sources, but I can’t help but reflexively read every story prominently showcasing the FBI’s supposed surveillance gaps as attempted watering hole attacks. The NSA almost certainly has hardware backdoors in Apple silicon, as disclosed a couple of years ago by the excellent researchers at Kaspersky. That being the case, Lockdown Mode is not even in play.

The NSA is not going to tip its hand about any backdoors it had built into the hardware for something as small as this.

Re: FBI couldn't get into WaPo reporter's iPhone because Lockdown Mode enabled

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Some platforms will side-load anything the telecom carrier sends. It is naive to assume iOS can be trusted much more than Android. =3

Let's assume for the sake of argument you're making a valid point. What does that have to do with my question?

Location telemetry, listening devices, and exfiltration of protected sources.

A 3rd party locked down system can't protect people from what the law should. =3

Re: FBI couldn't get into WaPo reporter's iPhone because Lockdown Mode enabled

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> So in america, they can force you to use a biometric but they can't compel you to reveal your password? I don't get it, touching finger is easy, but how do you compel someone to reveal their password?

The UK simply puts you in jail for not doing so.

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Re: FBI couldn't get into WaPo reporter's iPhone because Lockdown Mode enabled

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Samsung phones have the Secure Folder which can have a different, more secure password and be encrypted when the phone is on.

I use the Cryptomator app for this, it works as advertised. I keep ~60 GiB of personal files in there that would be an easy button to steal my identity and savings. I'm just hoping it doesn't include an NSA back door.
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