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Re: The largest zip tie is nearly 4 feet long and $75

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Post by RajT88 »

tolerance wrote: post #8
dyauspitr wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Like running around trying to zip tie protestors around their bodies? Plus it’s a little expensive for a 1 time use.

If there was a way perhaps to restrain the protester(s) in such a way that they can remain upright, present and vocal; but immobile, I’m confident that it would be so effective that law enforcement would be criticized for using anything but these apparatuses. Cost would not be a deterrent in this case.

I read comments like this and am always amazed at people's understanding of how protest works. I don't advocate for violence and destruction, but protest absolutely works because it makes things inconvenient for the people they are protesting.

When people complain about protesters getting in the way and being noisy and generally being inconvenient, they are bemoaning effective protest. That's a constitutional right.

Re: The largest zip tie is nearly 4 feet long and $75

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Post by Yossarrian22 »

tolerance wrote: post #8
dyauspitr wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Like running around trying to zip tie protestors around their bodies? Plus it’s a little expensive for a 1 time use.

If there was a way perhaps to restrain the protester(s) in such a way that they can remain upright, present and vocal; but immobile, I’m confident that it would be so effective that law enforcement would be criticized for using anything but these apparatuses. Cost would not be a deterrent in this case.

How are you expecting this to be used for crowd control without the risk of a person falling down without being able to arrest their fall?

Re: The largest zip tie is nearly 4 feet long and $75

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Post by dmitrygr »

RajT88 wrote: post #21
tolerance wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If there was a way perhaps to restrain the protester(s) in such a way that they can remain upright, present and vocal; but immobile, I’m confident that it would be so effective that law enforcement would be criticized for using anything but these apparatuses. Cost would not be a deterrent in this case.

I read comments like this and am always amazed at people's understanding of how protest works. I don't advocate for violence and destruction, but protest absolutely works because it makes things inconvenient for the people they are protesting. When people complain about protesters getting in the way and being noisy and generally being inconvenient , they are bemoaning effective protest . That's a constitutional right…

>When people complain about protesters getting in the way and being noisy and generally being inconvenient, they are bemoaning effective protest. That's a constitutional right.

Since you did not exclude it, i will assume that by "being inconvenient" you mean all sorts of things done nowadays as parts of protests, like blocking roads and such... Thing is, it is not nearly as clear cut as you might think.

> Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

There has not yet been a SCOTUS test on whether impeding others' free movement is considered peaceably assembling. I expect we'll see such a test soon. You indeed do have a right to petition government, and assemble peaceably, it is not clear that you have a right to inconvenience unrelated persons whose only fault is living in the same town and trying to get to school to pick up their kids while you block a road.

Inconveniencing unrelated persons is not nearly as clearly legal as you seem to claim it to be.

Re: The largest zip tie is nearly 4 feet long and $75

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Post by eurleif »

giardini wrote: post #12
readme wrote: post #2

I'm going to have nightmares about waking up restrained in this thing.

Can I buy one for a belt? I'm periodically needing to add another notch to my belts and this seems a good replacement! Maybe another few colors, please?

Ratchet belts exist, e.g.: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07PGV4ZRD

Re: The largest zip tie is nearly 4 feet long and $75

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Post by encom »

PostOnce wrote: post #4

Alternatively, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cable_lacing

Electrician here. When I went to school around 2006 or so, we actually learned how to do this. Except more like a historical curiosity. It certainly looks beautiful when done right. Sadly, nobody has time or budget for beauty any more, and that goes for all the trades. And so, I carry around bunch of cableties in my toolbag every day.

If only people would learn to cut the ends off correctly, so the next guy doesn't tear his arms to shreds.

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Post by aaronbrethorst »

cyode wrote: post #19

The supersized option in a line of products is always funny for some reason. Last week I chuckled upon seeing this online store's inventory of coffee makers: ...10 cups, 12 cups, 18 cups, 50(!) cups: https://www.bialetti.com/it_en/shop/coffee-makers.html?cups=... (The 50 cups option turned out to be a decorative piece.)

"Product designed solely for display purposes."

Sad. Although I am deeply amused that it's 'made' by Dolce and Gabbana.

Re: The largest zip tie is nearly 4 feet long and $75

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Post by userbinator »

encom wrote: post #25
PostOnce wrote: post #4

Alternatively, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cable_lacing

Electrician here. When I went to school around 2006 or so, we actually learned how to do this. Except more like a historical curiosity. It certainly looks beautiful when done right. Sadly, nobody has time or budget for beauty any more, and that goes for all the trades. And so, I carry around bunch of cableties in my toolbag every day. If only people would learn to cut the ends off correctly, so the next guy doesn't t…

Sadly, nobody has time or budget for beauty any more

It's amazing how ornately decorated early equipment was --- especially 19th century and earlier.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Cooke_and_Wheatstone_elec...

Re: The largest zip tie is nearly 4 feet long and $75

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Post by pvillano »

giardini wrote: post #12
readme wrote: post #2

I'm going to have nightmares about waking up restrained in this thing.

Can I buy one for a belt? I'm periodically needing to add another notch to my belts and this seems a good replacement! Maybe another few colors, please?

Columbia also makes an infinitely adjustable belt https://www.amazon.com/Columbia-Mens-Boys-Military-Belt/dp/B...
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