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AI didn't break copyright law, it just exposed how broken it was

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Re: AI didn't break copyright law, it just exposed how broken it was

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Post by JoshTriplett »

realusername wrote: post #69
JoshTriplett wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That'd be fine if AI waited for the law to change, rather than just breaking it and trying to grow fast enough to make countries scared to enforce their own laws against it.

The people campaigning for a change previously mostly were librarians, tech enthusiasts, archivists and pirate parties, now it's megacorporations worth billions of dollars. I have a feeling that they are going to fare better odds, the world runs on money.

They might fare better odds at using their ill-gotten goods to lobby for changes that benefit them, and do not help others or are even harmful to others.

Re: AI didn't break copyright law, it just exposed how broken it was

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Post by scotty79 »

repelsteeltje wrote: post #70
scotty79 wrote: post #63

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Laws are created for lobbyist not people. Nothing works in the real world like in the text book democracy. Everything that was written about democracy is as naive as young adults fiction. But I find it refreshing that the real world events finally force more and more people to realize that.

Yet you, like most of us, probably grew up in a democratic society (?) with a relatively high degree of freedom. As they say: democracy may not exist, but we'll miss it when it's gone.

Not really. I grew up in a socialist (communist?) society. A form of democracy closer to ideal than whatever US is doing for the last 2 centuries or more arrived in my teen years. My personal freedoms were mostly unaffected. Most treasured freedom I acquired was the freedom to gtfo which I'm happily using right now.

Re: AI didn't break copyright law, it just exposed how broken it was

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Post by aleph_minus_one »

avaer wrote: post #48
direwolf20 wrote: post #44

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Let's not forget the death of Aaron Swartz.

I don't think that was the "tech circles" being pro-copyright though. I've never met someone who wasn't on Aaron's side on that one.

> I've never met someone who wasn't on Aaron's side on that one.

This rather says something about the people by who you are surrounded. I know quite a lot of people who are on Aaron Swartz side here, for example people who are in academia or those who left academia but are still deeply interested in scientific topics.

Re: AI didn't break copyright law, it just exposed how broken it was

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Post by direwolf20 »

aleph_minus_one wrote: post #73
avaer wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think that was the "tech circles" being pro-copyright though. I've never met someone who wasn't on Aaron's side on that one.

> I've never met someone who wasn't on Aaron's side on that one. This rather says something about the people by who you are surrounded. I know quite a lot of people who are on Aaron Swartz side here, for example people who are in academia or those who left academia but are still deeply interested in scientific topics.

You agree with them

Re: AI didn't break copyright law, it just exposed how broken it was

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Post by at1as »

excalibur wrote: post #54

Copyright law has always been excessively restrictive, and is long overdue for reform. The informal practices that people have been following (i.e. free creation and distribution but no monetization and no confusion with official releases) are pretty close to what a reasonable law would state.

Agreed on all of these points. I think that this will happen (...eventually)

Re: AI didn't break copyright law, it just exposed how broken it was

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Post by aleph_minus_one »

direwolf20 wrote: post #74
aleph_minus_one wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I've never met someone who wasn't on Aaron's side on that one. This rather says something about the people by who you are surrounded. I know quite a lot of people who are on Aaron Swartz side here, for example people who are in academia or those who left academia but are still deeply interested in scientific topics.

You agree with them

Sorry, because I am not a native English speaker I misunderstood something. :-(

Re: AI didn't break copyright law, it just exposed how broken it was

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Post by strken »

lp4v4n wrote: post #56

In the past, many developers were against copyright law because they saw it as a way for big corps to stifle competition and curb creativity in order to increase their profits. A lot of people right now invoke the violation of the same copyright law because the tide has changed and now companies, by ignoring copyright law, are hurting artists/smaller companies and/or not contributing back or unlawfully closing the co…

It is also true that in the present, many developers are against copyright law, and in the past, many condemned the violation of the same copyright law because it protected artists and smaller companies. Not the same developers, necessarily, but many were and are on either side.

You'd really need to put some numbers on "many" for there to be a substantial observation here, because it could mean any figure in a huge range.

Re: AI didn't break copyright law, it just exposed how broken it was

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Post by raincole »

lp4v4n wrote: post #56

In the past, many developers were against copyright law because they saw it as a way for big corps to stifle competition and curb creativity in order to increase their profits. A lot of people right now invoke the violation of the same copyright law because the tide has changed and now companies, by ignoring copyright law, are hurting artists/smaller companies and/or not contributing back or unlawfully closing the co…

All this time it has been just simply anti-(mega)corporation. When mega corporations take one side, people's moral standard shift to the other side.

Re: AI didn't break copyright law, it just exposed how broken it was

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Post by scrubs »

This is a particularly well written article. Plaudits to poster and original writer. It took me from no clue to a context or sieve I could organize the noise through. And darn it, it made it look easy. Like the John Daily line it's so good I'm mad. Sheesh, thanks a lot!
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