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Re: Deno Sandbox

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Post by jonny_eh »

bonsai_spool wrote: post #55
zamadatix wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there a chance you could ask Ryan if he had an LLM write/rewrite large parts of this blog post? I don't mind at all if he did or didn't in itself, it's a good and informative post, but I strongly assumed the same while reading the article and if it's truly not LLM writing then it would serve as a super useful indicator about how often I'm wrongly making that assumption.

There are multiple signs of LLM-speak: > Over the past year, we’ve seen a shift in what Deno Deploy customers are building: platforms where users generate code with LLMs and that code runs immediately without review This isn't a canonical use of a colon (and the dependent clause isn't even grammatical)! > This isn’t the traditional “run untrusted plugins” problem. It’s deeper: LLM-generated code, calling external API…

> It’s deeper: LLM-generated code, calling external APIs with real credentials, without human review.

This also follows the rule of 3s, which LLMs love, there ya go.

Re: Deno Sandbox

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Post by r00f »

bonsai_spool wrote: post #55
zamadatix wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there a chance you could ask Ryan if he had an LLM write/rewrite large parts of this blog post? I don't mind at all if he did or didn't in itself, it's a good and informative post, but I strongly assumed the same while reading the article and if it's truly not LLM writing then it would serve as a super useful indicator about how often I'm wrongly making that assumption.

There are multiple signs of LLM-speak: > Over the past year, we’ve seen a shift in what Deno Deploy customers are building: platforms where users generate code with LLMs and that code runs immediately without review This isn't a canonical use of a colon (and the dependent clause isn't even grammatical)! > This isn’t the traditional “run untrusted plugins” problem. It’s deeper: LLM-generated code, calling external API…

Can it be that after reading so many LLM texts we will just subconciously follow the style, because that's what we are used to? No idea how this works for native English speakers, but I know that I lack my own writing style and it is just a pseudo-llm mix of Reddit/irc/technical documentation, as those were the places where I learned written English

Re: Deno Sandbox

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Post by ushakov »

ATechGuy wrote: post #40
falcor84 wrote: post #29

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> Hasn't everyone already built this for themselves in the past 2 years? The short answer is no. And more so, I think that "Everyone I know in my milieu already built this for themselves, but the wider industry isn't talking about it" is actually an excellent idea generator for a new product.

In the last one year, we have seen several sandboxing wrappers around containers/VMs and they all target one use case AI agent code execution. Why? perhaps because devs are good at building (wrappers around VMs) and chase the AI hype. But how are these different and what value do they offer over VMs? Sounds like a tarpit idea, tbh. Here's my list of code execution sandboxing agents launched in the last year alone: E2…

why? because there’s a huge market demand for Sandboxes. no one would be building this if no one would be buying.

disclaimer: i work at E2B

Re: Deno Sandbox

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Post by ushakov »

zenmac wrote: post #38
drewbitt wrote: post #30

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Has everyone really built their own microVMs? I don’t think so.

Saw quite bit on HN. A quick search this popped up: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45486006 If we can spin up microVM so quickly, why bother with Docker or other containers at all?

10 seconds is actually not that impressive. we spin up Sandboxes around 50-200ms at E2B

Re: Deno Sandbox

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Post by tadfisher »

bonsai_spool wrote: post #55
zamadatix wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there a chance you could ask Ryan if he had an LLM write/rewrite large parts of this blog post? I don't mind at all if he did or didn't in itself, it's a good and informative post, but I strongly assumed the same while reading the article and if it's truly not LLM writing then it would serve as a super useful indicator about how often I'm wrongly making that assumption.

There are multiple signs of LLM-speak: > Over the past year, we’ve seen a shift in what Deno Deploy customers are building: platforms where users generate code with LLMs and that code runs immediately without review This isn't a canonical use of a colon (and the dependent clause isn't even grammatical)! > This isn’t the traditional “run untrusted plugins” problem. It’s deeper: LLM-generated code, calling external API…

It's unfortunate that, given the entire corpus of human writing, LLMs have seemingly been fine-tuned to reproduce terrible ad copy from old editions of National Geographic.

(Yes, I split the infinitive there, but I hate that rule.)

Re: Deno Sandbox

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Post by bonsai_spool »

r00f wrote: post #64
bonsai_spool wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are multiple signs of LLM-speak: > Over the past year, we’ve seen a shift in what Deno Deploy customers are building: platforms where users generate code with LLMs and that code runs immediately without review This isn't a canonical use of a colon (and the dependent clause isn't even grammatical)! > This isn’t the traditional “run untrusted plugins” problem. It’s deeper: LLM-generated code, calling external API…

Can it be that after reading so many LLM texts we will just subconciously follow the style, because that's what we are used to? No idea how this works for native English speakers, but I know that I lack my own writing style and it is just a pseudo-llm mix of Reddit/irc/technical documentation, as those were the places where I learned written English

Yes, I think you're right—I have a hard time imagining how we avoid such an outcome. If it matters to you, my suggestion is to read as widely as you're able to. That way you can at least recognize which constructions are more/less associated with an LLM.

When I was first working toward this, I found the LA Review of Books and the London Review of Books to be helpful examples of longform, erudite writing. (edit - also recommend the old standards of The New Yorker and The Atlantic; I just wanted to highlight options with free articles).

I also recommend reading George Orwell's essay Politics and the English Language.

Re: Deno Sandbox

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Post by ATechGuy »

ushakov wrote: post #65
ATechGuy wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the last one year, we have seen several sandboxing wrappers around containers/VMs and they all target one use case AI agent code execution. Why? perhaps because devs are good at building (wrappers around VMs) and chase the AI hype. But how are these different and what value do they offer over VMs? Sounds like a tarpit idea, tbh. Here's my list of code execution sandboxing agents launched in the last year alone: E2…

why? because there’s a huge market demand for Sandboxes. no one would be building this if no one would be buying. disclaimer: i work at E2B

I'm not saying sandboxes are not needed, I'm saying VMs/containers already provide the core tech and it's easy to DIY a sandbox. Would love to understand what value E2B offers over VMs?
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