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X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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de Gaulle would be considered insanely far right today. Many aspects of Bush (assuming GW here) would be considered not in line with America's far-right today.

Assume good intent. It helps you see the actually interesting point being made.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Honest question: What does it mean to "raid" the offices of a tech company? It's not like they have file cabinets with paper records. Are they just seizing employee workstations? Seems like you'd want to subpoena source code or gmail history or something like that. Not much interesting in an office these days.

Offline syncing of outlook could reveal a lot of emails that would otherwise be on a foreign server. A lot of people save copies of documents locally as well.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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France24 article on this: https://www.france24.com/en/france/20260203-paris-prosecutor... lol, they summoned Elon for a hearing on 420 "Summons for voluntary interviews on April 20, 2026, in Paris have been sent to Mr. Elon Musk and Ms. Linda Yaccarino, in their capacity as de facto and de jure managers of the X platform at the time of the events,

I wonder how he'll try to get out of being summoned. Claim 4/20 is a holiday that he celebrates?

It's voluntary

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Every AI system is capable of generating CSAM and deep fakes if requested by a savvy user. The only thing this proves is that you can't upset the French government or they'll go on a fishing expedition through your office praying to find evidence of a crime.

Grok makes it especially easy to do so.

What makes Grok special compared to random "AI gf generator 9001" which is hosted specifically with the intent of generating NSFW content?

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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CSAM does not have a universal definition. In Sweden for instance, CSAM is any image of an underage subject (real or realistic digital) designed to evoke a sexual response. If you take a picture of a 14 year old girl (age of consent is 15) and use Grok to give her bikini, or make her topless, then you are most definately producing and possessing CSAM. No abuse of a real minor is needed.

> CSAM does not have a universal definition. Strange that there was no disagreement before "AI", right? Yet now we have a clutch of new "definitions" all of which dilute and weaken the meaning. > In Sweden for instance, CSAM is any image of an underage subject (real or realistic digital) designed to evoke a sexual response. No corroboration found on web. Quite the contrary, in fact: "Sweden does not have a legislativ…

Where do these people come from???

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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This is really amusing to watch, because everything that Grok is accused of is something which you can also trigger in currently available open-weight models (if you know what you're doing). There's nothing special about Grok in this regard. It wasn't trained to be a MechaHitler, nor to generate CSAM. It's just relatively uncensored[1] compared to the competition, which means it can be easily manipulated to do what t…

> everything that Grok is accused of is something which you can also trigger in currently available open-weight models (if you know what you're doing)

Well, yes. You can make child pornography with any video-editing software. How is this exoneration?

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Every AI system is capable of generating CSAM and deep fakes if requested by a savvy user. The only thing this proves is that you can't upset the French government or they'll go on a fishing expedition through your office praying to find evidence of a crime.

> if requested by a savvy user

Grok brought that thought all the way to "... so let's not even try to prevent it."

The point is to show just how aware X were of the issue, and that they chose to repeatedly do nothing against Grok being used to create CSAM and probably other problematic and illegal imagery.

I can't really doubt they'll find plenty of evidence during discovery, it doesn't have to be physical things. The raid stops office activity immediately, and marks the point in time after which they can be accused of destroying evidence if they erase relevant information to hide internal comms.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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It used to be a principle of the left to believe in free speech. Now that is called right wing.

There’s no such thing as free speech and there never has been. To believe there is, is to fundamentally fail to understand what a society even is.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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I wonder how he'll try to get out of being summoned. Claim 4/20 is a holiday that he celebrates?

It's voluntary

They'll make a judgement without him if he doesn't turn up.
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