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Re: The Codex App

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Post by varshar »

dworks wrote: post #404
boppo1 wrote: post #366

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which paper?

Recursive Language Models by Alex Zhang/MIT

@dworks: Good insights. Thanks!

If you add a dialectic between Opus 4.5 and GPT 5.2 (not the Codex variant), your workflow - which I use as well, albeit slightly differently [1] - may work even better.

This dialectic also has the happy side-effect of being fairly token efficient.

IME, Claude Code employs much better CLI tooling+sandboxing when implementing while GPT 5.2 does excellent multifaceted critique even in complex situations.

[1]

- spec requirement / iterate spec until dialectic is exhausted, then markdown

- plan / iterate plan until dialectic is exhausted, then markdown

- implement / curl-test + manual test / code review until dialectic is exhausted

- update previous repo context checkpoint (plus README.md and AGENTS.md) in markdown

Re: The Codex App

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Post by pu_pe »

ativzzz wrote: post #186
Oras wrote: post #82

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Going cross platform doesn’t sound the main reason (or I hope not). For a company that size, is it really hard to hire specialised small team?! It would be a good show case for their Codex too

It is hard because this product will likely be obsolete next year based on how quickly AI is changing and evolving. Speed is king when you're on the frontier

Yes, exactly. "Just hire a small team and build native apps for another OS" is the recipe for taking a year to deliver instead of a month

Re: The Codex App

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Post by sunaookami »

Why do I have to manually switch between medium, high, extra high?? This is comedy at this point, Claude Code "just works" without having to think about obscure stuff like this and it still produces a better output. OpenAI is just embarassing at this point, ChatGPT also got ruined with gpt-5.2 which talks and has the brain of a 2 year old, even gpt-3.5-turbo was better. Did they still have no successful training run?

Re: The Codex App

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Post by prodigycorp »

sunaookami wrote: post #483

Why do I have to manually switch between medium, high, extra high?? This is comedy at this point, Claude Code "just works" without having to think about obscure stuff like this and it still produces a better output. OpenAI is just embarassing at this point, ChatGPT also got ruined with gpt-5.2 which talks and has the brain of a 2 year old, even gpt-3.5-turbo was better. Did they still have no successful training run?

Claude responds differently to "think", "think hard", and "think very hard". Just because it's hidden to you, doesn't mean a user doesn't have a choice.

Saying gpt-3.5-turbo is better than gpt-5.2 makes me think something you got some of them hidden motives.

https://code.claude.com/docs/en/common-workflows#use-extende...

Re: The Codex App

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Post by rjh29 »

tombert wrote: post #427
namelosw wrote: post #255

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The situation for Desktop development is nasty. Microsoft had so many halfassed frameworks and nobody knows which one to use. It’s probably the de facto platform on Windows IS Electron, and Microsoft use them often, too. On MacOS is much better. But most of the team either ended up with locked in Mac-only or go cross platform with Electron.

I guess it shows how geriatric I am with desktop app development these days, but does no one use Qt anymore? Wasn't the dream for that to be a portable and native platform to write GUI apps? Presumably that could abstract away which bullshit Microsoft framework they came out with this week. I haven't touched desktop application programming in a very long time and I have no desire to ever do so again after trying to l…

Qt is still pretty good, but it's dated in comparison to newer frameworks like Flutter and React Native. No hot reloading of changes, manual widget management vs. React where you just re-define the whole UI every frame and it handles changes magically, no single source of truth for state, etc.

Re: The Codex App

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Post by LtdJorge »

tombert wrote: post #427
namelosw wrote: post #255

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The situation for Desktop development is nasty. Microsoft had so many halfassed frameworks and nobody knows which one to use. It’s probably the de facto platform on Windows IS Electron, and Microsoft use them often, too. On MacOS is much better. But most of the team either ended up with locked in Mac-only or go cross platform with Electron.

I guess it shows how geriatric I am with desktop app development these days, but does no one use Qt anymore? Wasn't the dream for that to be a portable and native platform to write GUI apps? Presumably that could abstract away which bullshit Microsoft framework they came out with this week. I haven't touched desktop application programming in a very long time and I have no desire to ever do so again after trying to l…

And GTK4 is even very usable from Rust too. It’s not a bad development experience, but these companies probably find 100 webdevs for every system programmer.

Re: The Codex App

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Post by nine_k »

tombert wrote: post #427
namelosw wrote: post #255

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The situation for Desktop development is nasty. Microsoft had so many halfassed frameworks and nobody knows which one to use. It’s probably the de facto platform on Windows IS Electron, and Microsoft use them often, too. On MacOS is much better. But most of the team either ended up with locked in Mac-only or go cross platform with Electron.

I guess it shows how geriatric I am with desktop app development these days, but does no one use Qt anymore? Wasn't the dream for that to be a portable and native platform to write GUI apps? Presumably that could abstract away which bullshit Microsoft framework they came out with this week. I haven't touched desktop application programming in a very long time and I have no desire to ever do so again after trying to l…

Qt means C++. I'll take Typescript over C++ for a GUI task any day.

Qt is also pretty memory-hungry; maybe rich declarative (QML) skinnable adaptable UIs with full a11y support, etc just require some RAM no matter what. And it also looks a wee bit "non-native" to purists, except on Windows, where the art of uniform native look is lost.

Also, if you ever plan extensions / plugin support, you already basically have it built-in.

Yes, a Qt-based program may be wonderfully responsive. But an Electron-based app can be wonderfully responsive, too. And both can feel sluggish, even on great hardware. It all depends on a right architecture, on not doing any (not even "guaranteed fast") I/O in the GUI thread, mostly. This takes a bit of skill and, most importantly, consideration; both are in short supply, as usual.

The biggest problem with Electron apps is their size. Tauri, which relies on the system-provided web view component, is the reasonable way.

Re: The Codex App

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Post by ogoffart »

josephg wrote: post #375
OlympicMarmoto wrote: post #265

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This is another common excuse. You don't need to use microsoft's or apple's or google's shit UI frameworks. E.g. see https://filepilot.tech/ You can just write all the rendering yourself using metal/gl/dx. if you didn't want to write the rendering yourself there are plenty of libraries like skia, flutter's renderer, nanovg, etc

I'd love to see some opensource projects actually do a good job of this. Its a lot of work, especially if you want: - Good cross platform support (missing in filepilot) - Want applications to feel native everywhere. For example, all the obscure keyboard shortcuts for moving around a text input box on mac and windows should work. iOS and Android should use their native keyboards. IME needs to work. Etc - Accessibility…

We're actually working on a native open source cross-platform UI toolkit called Slint that’s trying to do exactly that. https://slint.dev

Re: The Codex App

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Post by Computer0 »

prodigycorp wrote: post #484
sunaookami wrote: post #483

Why do I have to manually switch between medium, high, extra high?? This is comedy at this point, Claude Code "just works" without having to think about obscure stuff like this and it still produces a better output. OpenAI is just embarassing at this point, ChatGPT also got ruined with gpt-5.2 which talks and has the brain of a 2 year old, even gpt-3.5-turbo was better. Did they still have no successful training run?

Claude responds differently to "think", "think hard", and "think very hard". Just because it's hidden to you, doesn't mean a user doesn't have a choice. Saying gpt-3.5-turbo is better than gpt-5.2 makes me think something you got some of them hidden motives. https://code.claude.com/docs/en/common-workflows#use-extende...

’’’Phrases like “think”, “think hard”, “ultrathink”, and “think more” are interpreted as regular prompt instructions and don’t allocate thinking tokens.’’’

Re: The Codex App

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Post by [deleted] »

Computer0 wrote: post #489
prodigycorp wrote: post #484

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Claude responds differently to "think", "think hard", and "think very hard". Just because it's hidden to you, doesn't mean a user doesn't have a choice. Saying gpt-3.5-turbo is better than gpt-5.2 makes me think something you got some of them hidden motives. https://code.claude.com/docs/en/common-workflows#use-extende...

’’’Phrases like “think”, “think hard”, “ultrathink”, and “think more” are interpreted as regular prompt instructions and don’t allocate thinking tokens.’’’

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