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Re: xAI joins SpaceX

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Post by usrusr »

mr_toad wrote: post #614
gok wrote: post #45

> it is possible to put 500 to 1000 TW/year of AI satellites into deep space, meaningfully ascend the Kardashev scale and harness a non-trivial percentage of the Sun’s power We currently make around 1 TW of photovoltaic cells per year, globally. The proposal here is to launch that much to space every 9 hours, complete with attached computers, continuously, from the moon. edit: Also, this would capture a very trivial…

> We currently make around 1 TW of photovoltaic cells per year, globally. Doubling every three years; at that rate it would take about 30 years for 1TW to become 1000TW. Whether on not the trend continues largely depends on demand, but as of right now humanity seems to have an insatiable demand for power.

Space to put them, terrestrially, is not infinite. Demand has a hard ceiling.

Re: xAI joins SpaceX

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Post by krige »

DoesntMatter22 wrote: post #756
nutjob2 wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a con, his AI business is failing, so he's rolling it up into the profitable business. Did a similar thing with Twitter. This is so obvious, but it's so stupid and at this scale that people find it hard to believe.

If they AI business is failing why did they just do a successful large raise?

If the AI business is successful why does it keep changing hands? Where are the profits?

Re: xAI joins SpaceX

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Post by gorgoiler »

> Starship will be capable of landing massive amounts of cargo on the Moon […] to establish a permanent presence and take advantage of lunar resources to manufacture satellites and deploy them further into space.

The trouble with strip mining the moon is that it is a pristine international geological park where one side is permanently visible from Earth*. In terms of park visits it’s been seen by pretty much every human that ever existed. Take that, Yosemite. The far side will be banned from exploitation to maintain its unique park status as being almost completely radio silent.

Perhaps the mining will take place behind the ridge line of limbward mountains: technically on the near side but without being visible. Going underground feels like a bit of a stretch.

On the far side, how far does one have to be from the anti-Earth point before one can fire up the WiFi without pissing off the space telescopes?

Who will even regulate this stuff? Do we extend the Antarctic treaty for whole-lunar purposes?

*Worst case, a 5km wide strip mine is 10 pixels on a DSLR photo, but that’s still too much for some.

Re: xAI joins SpaceX

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Post by bigbuppo »

Not sure if this is stock manipulation trying to push the bubble a little further in a way that doesn't require showing something of substance immediately, or if Elon's having another manic episode after doing too many or not enough drugs, but who didn't see this coming?

I'm sure next week he'll have SpaceX be bought by The Boring Company, sell that to Tesla, then rename all the companies as "X".

Also, whatever happened to his plan to turn twitter into a financial services company?

Re: xAI joins SpaceX

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Post by Animats »

erk__ wrote: post #809
Animats wrote: post #654

This is terrible for Space-X. They're doing a great job. Musk has left running it to Gwynne Shotwell, who really is a rocket scientist. Now Space-X has a AI business unit they don't need, a new money drain, and more attention from Musk. Should have merged xAI into Twitter. A failure there would not be a major setback.

xAI bought Twitter a bit under a year ago: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ceqjq11202ro

Wait, does this mean Space-X owns Twitter/X now?

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Post by westpfelia »

tw04 wrote: post #515
reisse wrote: post #252

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> If elon were working for me, I would have fired him for having never delivered on any of his projects. Never? For the sheer amount of moonshot bets he's doing, his track record would make any VC jealous. Zip2, PayPal, Tesla, SpaceX, Grok/xAI.

>Zip2 I guess props to scamming Compaq into making a large investment that didn't pan out. He did personally make money so I guess win for him. >In an effort to woo investors, Elon Musk built a large casing around a standard computer to give the impression that Zip2 was powered by a supercomputer. >PayPal Huh? He didn't found Paypal, his company was acquired by Paypal. You might as well give him credit for eBay while…

hey now. Lets not forget when Elon had Grok creating CSAM and sexually explicit material of nonconsenting women. Truely an... achievement? Surely it will propel humanity forward.

Re: xAI joins SpaceX

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Post by jacquesm »

stingraycharles wrote: post #682
mmoustafa wrote: post #88

> "The only logical solution therefore is to transport these resource-intensive efforts to a location with vast power and space. I mean, space is called 'space' for a reason. [crying laughing emoji]" This is all the reasoning provided. It is quite sad how a company I admired so much has become embroiled in financial doohickery.

It’s not SpaceX’s fault. It’s still a company to admire, it’s just that nobody appears to be able to stop Musk. I wonder why SpaceX investors aren’t revolting.

I wonder why the SpaceX top management is going along with this. It's clearly not in their long term interest to do so.

Re: xAI joins SpaceX

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Post by Ms-J »

Buttons840 wrote: post #50

SpaceX is too big to fail. It's important for national security. I wonder if Elon wants to tangle all his businesses into SpaceX so they are all kept afloat by SpaceX's importance.

That is what they want you to think it isn't too big to fail there are plenty of competitors with much stronger engineers and principles than this grifter.

Re: xAI joins SpaceX

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Post by WD-42 »

somenameforme wrote: post #737
rainsford wrote: post #548

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We also shouldn't overlook the fact that the proposal entirely glosses over the implication of the alternative benefits we might realize if humanity achieved the incredible engineering and technical capacity necessary to make this version of space AI happen. Think about it. Elon conjures up a vision of the future where we've managed to increase our solar cell manufacturing capacity by two whole orders of magnitude an…

A lot of great inventions we now take for granted initially came with little motivation other than being able to kill each other more effectively. GPS, radar, jet engines, drones, super glue, microwaves, canned food, computers, even the internet. Contrary to the narrative of the internet being about sharing science, ARPANET was pushed by the DoD as a means of maintaining comms during nuclear war. It was then adopted…

That’s not the point of the person you are replying to. They are saying if we somehow come up with the tech that makes harnessing the sun a thing, the best we can still do is put a bunch of GPUs in space? It makes no sense.
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