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How does misalignment scale with model intelligence and task complexity?

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Re: How does misalignment scale with model intelligence and task complexity?

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This is a good line: "It found that smarter entities are subjectively judged to behave less coherently"

I think this is twofold:

1. Advanced intelligence requires the ability to traverse between domain valleys in the cognitive manifold. Be it via temperature or some fancy tunneling technique, it's going to be higher error (less coherent) in the valleys of the manifold than naive gradient following to the local minima.

2. It's hard to "punch up" when evaluating intelligence. When someone is a certain amount smarter than you, distinguishing their plausible bullshit from their deep insights is really, really hard.

Re: How does misalignment scale with model intelligence and task complexity?

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> Making models larger improves overall accuracy but doesn't reliably reduce incoherence on hard problems.

Coherence requires 2 opposing forces to hold coherence in one dimension and at least 3 of them in higher dimensions of quality.

My team wrote up a paper titled "If You Want Coherence, Orchestrate a Team of Rivals"[1] because we kept finding that upping the reasoning threshold resulted in less coherence - more experimentation before we hit a dead-end to turn around.

So we had a better result from using Haiku (we fail over to Sonnet) over Opus and using a higher reasoning model to decompose tasks rather than perform each one of them.

Once a plan is made, the cheaper models do better as they do not double-think their approaches - they fail or they succeed, they are not as tenacious as the higher cost models.

We can escalate to higher authority and get out of that mess faster if we fail hard and early.

The knowledge of how exactly failure happened seems to be less useful to the higher reasoning model over the action biased models.

Splitting up the tactical and strategic sides of the problem, seems to work similarly to how Generals don't hold guns in a war.

[1] - https://arxiv.org/abs/2601.14351

Re: How does misalignment scale with model intelligence and task complexity?

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I don’t know why it seems so hard for these guys to understand you scorecard every step for new strategy to Close distance at goal and if you have multiple generated forward options with no good weight you spawn a new agent and multiple paths. Then you score all the terminal branches and prune.

LLMs aren’t constrained to linear logic like your average human.

Re: How does misalignment scale with model intelligence and task complexity?

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This is a good line: "It found that smarter entities are subjectively judged to behave less coherently" I think this is twofold: 1. Advanced intelligence requires the ability to traverse between domain valleys in the cognitive manifold. Be it via temperature or some fancy tunneling technique, it's going to be higher error (less coherent) in the valleys of the manifold than naive gradient following to the local minima…

What do 'domain valleys' and 'tunneling' mean in this context?

Re: How does misalignment scale with model intelligence and task complexity?

#9
I think It's not because AI working on "misaligned" goals. The user never specify the goal clearly enough for AI system to work.

However, I think producing detailed enough specification requires same or even larger amount of work than writing code. We write rough specification and clarify these during the process of coding. I think there are minimal effort required to produce these specification, AI will not help you speed up these effort.

Re: How does misalignment scale with model intelligence and task complexity?

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This is a good line: "It found that smarter entities are subjectively judged to behave less coherently" I think this is twofold: 1. Advanced intelligence requires the ability to traverse between domain valleys in the cognitive manifold. Be it via temperature or some fancy tunneling technique, it's going to be higher error (less coherent) in the valleys of the manifold than naive gradient following to the local minima…

What do 'domain valleys' and 'tunneling' mean in this context?

Not the OP, but my interpretation here is that if you model the replies as some point in a vector space, assuming points from a given domain cluster close to each other, replies that span two domains need to "tunnel" between these two spaces.
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