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The TSA's New $45 Fee to Fly Without ID Is Illegal

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Re: The TSA's New $45 Fee to Fly Without ID Is Illegal

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Post by raw_anon_1111 »

m-s-y wrote: post #16
cmiles8 wrote: post #11

You have the right to try and fly without an ID. The airlines also have the right to tell you to buzz off and get lost and the airport operator has the right to decide they don’t want you in the building and trespass you if you don’t scram.

This isn’t like the 1st amendment. Public carriers like airlines are not allowed to refuse service for the reason of refusing to show ID. They can refuse for other reasons, but the are not “in the loop” when passengers currently get screened by the TSA, which is where RealID is “required”.

They very much are in the loop if you get on a plane to fly internationally

Re: The TSA's New $45 Fee to Fly Without ID Is Illegal

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Post by dheera »

lateforwork wrote: post #25
paxys wrote: post #23

It's hilarious how transparent a money grab this entire thing is. "You need to show a Real ID for security, otherwise how do we know you won't hijack the plane?" "Well I don't have a Real ID." "Ok then, give us $45 and you can go through." So it was never about security at all then, was it? And don't get me started with all the paid express security lanes. Because of course only poor people can weaponize shoes and la…

The $45 pays for extra checks and scrutiny.

I'm almost positive they get paid the same at the end of the day either way and the $45 just lines the pockets of someone on the top.

Re: The TSA's New $45 Fee to Fly Without ID Is Illegal

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Post by [deleted] »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #3
ggm wrote: post #2

If true, unlikely to help the working poor flying (or attempting to fly) because recourse to courts here is in the realms of the rich or benificent. So, Frommers should fund a test case.

It’s annoying we don’t offer passport cards for free to people as a national government credential. The cost is similar to this fee, and your app and photo could be taken by TSA right at the checkpoint. You head to your flight after identity proofed, and your passport card could then be mailed to you. https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/passports/need-pa...

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Re: The TSA's New $45 Fee to Fly Without ID Is Illegal

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Post by crazygringo »

paxys wrote: post #23

It's hilarious how transparent a money grab this entire thing is. "You need to show a Real ID for security, otherwise how do we know you won't hijack the plane?" "Well I don't have a Real ID." "Ok then, give us $45 and you can go through." So it was never about security at all then, was it? And don't get me started with all the paid express security lanes. Because of course only poor people can weaponize shoes and la…

It may be many things, but I very much doubt the motivation is a money grab. A few people paying $45 isn't lining the pockets of some government official, or plugging a hole in any possible budget.

Dealing with the presence of travelers who haven't updated their driver's licenses requires a bunch of extra staff to perform the time-consuming additional verifications. The basic idea is for those staff to be paid by the people using them, rather than by taxpayers and air travelers more generally. As well as there being a small deterrent effect.

Re: The TSA's New $45 Fee to Fly Without ID Is Illegal

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Post by stonogo »

raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #28
ggm wrote: post #2

If true, unlikely to help the working poor flying (or attempting to fly) because recourse to courts here is in the realms of the rich or benificent. So, Frommers should fund a test case.

How many of the “working poor” can afford to fly and don’t have a drivers license? All 50 states and 5 US territories issue RealID compliant drivers license/ID

RealID licenses cost extra where I live. Your job can buy you a plane ticket but they can't get you through TSA.

Re: The TSA's New $45 Fee to Fly Without ID Is Illegal

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Post by TacticalCoder »

> As described by Clinton’s counterterrorism czar Richard Clarke, this idea was conceived overnight as a way to show that the government was “doing something” in response to a plane crash that turned out to have been caused by a faulty fuel tank, not terrorism.

To be honest the worry about terrorists hijacking planes under Clinton proved to be quite prescient only a few years later.

Re: The TSA's New $45 Fee to Fly Without ID Is Illegal

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Post by Forgeties79 »

crazygringo wrote: post #36
paxys wrote: post #23

It's hilarious how transparent a money grab this entire thing is. "You need to show a Real ID for security, otherwise how do we know you won't hijack the plane?" "Well I don't have a Real ID." "Ok then, give us $45 and you can go through." So it was never about security at all then, was it? And don't get me started with all the paid express security lanes. Because of course only poor people can weaponize shoes and la…

It may be many things, but I very much doubt the motivation is a money grab . A few people paying $45 isn't lining the pockets of some government official, or plugging a hole in any possible budget. Dealing with the presence of travelers who haven't updated their driver's licenses requires a bunch of extra staff to perform the time-consuming additional verifications. The basic idea is for those staff to be paid by th…

$45 x millions of people (some multiple times) = an incredibly consequential amount of money

Re: The TSA's New $45 Fee to Fly Without ID Is Illegal

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Post by stonogo »

cmiles8 wrote: post #11

You have the right to try and fly without an ID. The airlines also have the right to tell you to buzz off and get lost and the airport operator has the right to decide they don’t want you in the building and trespass you if you don’t scram.

The airlines are not in charge of airport security. TSA, a government agency, handles that.
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