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Re: The Codex App

#181
Not to rain on the parade, but this app feels to me ... unpolished. Some of the options in the demo feels less thought out and just put together.

I will try it out, but is this just me, or product/UX side of recent OpenAI products are sort of ... skipped over? It is good that agents help ship software quickly, but please no half-baked stuff like Altas 2.0 again ...

Re: The Codex App

#182
post #104

Looks like they forgot the part of the code editor where you can… edit code. Claude Code in Zed is about the most optimal experience I can imagine. I want the agent on the side and a code editor in the middle.

Usage like this is becoming a rarity. Most people are editing significantly less and "agent interfaces" are slowly taking the focus.

For greenfield apps you can vibecode it. For existing complex apps, where existing products where customers pay us a lot of money for working software, understanding the changes and context surrounding them in the code is critical or else nobody knows how the system works anymore and maintenance and support becomes impossible.

Re: The Codex App

#183

It's basically what Emdash ( https://www.emdash.sh/ ), Conductor ( https://www.conductor.build/ ) & CO have been building but as first class product from OpenAI. Begs the question if Anthropic will follow up with a first-class Claude Code "multi agent" (git worktree) app themselves.

I never heard of Emdash before and I am following on AI tools closely. It just shows you how much noise there is and how hard is to promote the apps. Emdash looks solid. I almost went to build something similar because I wasn't aware of it.

Re: The Codex App

#184

To me, the obvious next step for these companies is to integrate their products with web hosting. At this point, the remaining hurdle for non-developers is deploying their creations to the cloud with built-in monetization.

and specifically, the big companies, in a way that people notice. Claude Artifacts, AI Studio, etc. all kinda suck. If you have used Manus or connected your own CF, GCP, AWS, etc. you see how easy it could be if one of the big guys wanted it to be (or could get out of their own way).

the big boys probably don't want people who don't know sec deploying on their infra lol.

Re: The Codex App

#185

Not to rain on the parade, but this app feels to me ... unpolished. Some of the options in the demo feels less thought out and just put together. I will try it out, but is this just me, or product/UX side of recent OpenAI products are sort of ... skipped over? It is good that agents help ship software quickly, but please no half-baked stuff like Altas 2.0 again ...

I don’t get why they announce it as a “Mac app” when the UI looks and feels nothing like a Mac app. Also electron… again.

Why not flex some of those codex skills for a proper native app…

Re: The Codex App

#186
post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Going cross platform doesn’t sound the main reason (or I hope not). For a company that size, is it really hard to hire specialised small team?! It would be a good show case for their Codex too

It is hard because this product will likely be obsolete next year based on how quickly AI is changing and evolving. Speed is king when you're on the frontier

Re: The Codex App

#187

No. I am glad to not depend on AI. It would annoy me to no ends how it tries to assimilate everything. It's like systemd on roids in this aspect. It will swallow up more and more tasks. Granted, in a way this is saying "then it was not necessary to have this things anymore now that AI solves it all", but I am skeptical of "the praised land" here. Skynet was not trusted back in 1982 or so. I don't trust AI either.

I'm the same way but I've got the gloomy sense that folks like us are about to be swept aside by the flood if we don't "adapt." I got invites to seven AI-centered meetings late last week.

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Re: The Codex App

#188

> Work with multiple agents in parallel But you can already do that, in the terminal. Open your favourite terminal, use splits or tmux and spin up as many claude code or codex instances as you want. In parallel. I do it constantly. For all kinds of tasks, not only coding.

But they don't communicate. These do.

Re: The Codex App

#189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Telling a bunch of agents to do stuff is like treating it as a senior developer who you trust to take an ambiguous business requirement and letting them use their best judgment and them asking you if they have a question . But doing that with AI feels like hiring an outsourcing firm for a project and they come back with an unmaintable mess that’s hard to reason through 5 weeks later. I very much micro manage my AI ag…

I fully believe that if I didn’t review its output and ask it to clean it up it would become unmaintainable real quick. The trick I’ve found though is to be detailed enough in the design from both a technical and non-technical level, sometimes iterating a few time on it with the agent before telling it to go for it (which can easily take 30 minutes) That’s how I used to deal with L4, except codex codes much faster (b…

It’s funny over the years I went from

1. I like being hands on keyboard and picking up a slice of work I can do by myself with a clean interface that others can use - a ticket taking code monkey.

2. I like being a team lead /architect where my vision can be larger than what I can do in 40 hours a week even if I hate the communication and coordination overhead of dealing with two or three other people

3. I love being able to do large projects by myself including dealing with the customer where the AI can do the grunt work I use to have to depend on ticket taking code monkeys to do.

Moral of the story: if you are a ticket taking “I codez real gud” developer - you are going to be screwed no matter how many b trees you can reverse on the whiteboard

Re: The Codex App

#190

To me, the obvious next step for these companies is to integrate their products with web hosting. At this point, the remaining hurdle for non-developers is deploying their creations to the cloud with built-in monetization.

and specifically, the big companies, in a way that people notice. Claude Artifacts, AI Studio, etc. all kinda suck. If you have used Manus or connected your own CF, GCP, AWS, etc. you see how easy it could be if one of the big guys wanted it to be (or could get out of their own way). the big boys probably don't want people who don't know sec deploying on their infra lol.

Deploying from Antigravity is as easy as say connecting the Firebase MCP [1] and asking it "deploy my app to firebase".

[1] https://firebase.google.com/docs/ai-assistance/mcp-server

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