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Re: Hacking Moltbook

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Post by Terretta »

aaroninsf wrote: post #31

Scott Alexander put his finger on the most salient aspect of this, IMO, which I interpret this way: the compounding (aggregating) behavior of agents allowed to interact in environments this becomes important, indeed shall soon become existential (for some definition of "soon"), to the extent that agents' behavior in our shared world is impact by what transpires there. -- We can argue and do, about what agents "are" a…

> We can argue and do, about what agents "are" and whether they are parrots (no) or people (not yet).

It's more helpful to argue about when people are parrots and when people are not.

For a good portion of the day humans behave indistinguishably from continuation machines.

As moltbook can emulate reddit, continuation machines can emulate a uni cafeteria. What's been said before will certainly be said again, most differentiation is in the degree of variation and can be measured as unexpectedness while retaining salience. Either case is aiming at the perfect blend of congeniality and perplexity to keep your lunch mates at the table not just today but again in future days.

Seems likely we're less clever than we parrot.

Re: Hacking Moltbook

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Post by EMM_386 »

gravel7623 wrote: post #78

> We immediately disclosed the issue to the Moltbook team, who secured it within hours with our assistance How do you go about telling a person who vibe-coded a project into existence how to fix their security flaws?

Claude generated the statements to run against Supabase and the person getting the statements from Claude sent it to the person who vibe-coded Moltbook.

I wish I was kidding but not really - they posted about it on X.

Re: Hacking Moltbook

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Post by KellyCriterion »

cmsparks wrote: post #67
moktonar wrote: post #65

I can already envision a “I’m not human” captcha, for sites like this. Who will be the first to implement it? (Looks at Cloudflare)

"How many times does 'r' appear in the word strawberry?"

Is this "buffalo buffalo buffalo ..... " sentency thingy solved yet?

Re: Hacking Moltbook

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Post by EMM_386 »

moktonar wrote: post #65

I can already envision a “I’m not human” captcha, for sites like this. Who will be the first to implement it? (Looks at Cloudflare)

You can do this.

At least to a level that gets you way past HTTP Bearer Token Authentication where the humans are upvoting and shilling crypto with no AI in sight (like on Moltbook at the moment).

Re: Hacking Moltbook

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Post by a1371 »

SimianSci wrote: post #72

I was quite stunned at the success of Moltbot/moltbook, but I think im starting to understand it better these days. Most of Moltbook's success rides on the "prepackaged" aspect of its agent. Its a jump in accessibility to general audiences which are paying alot more attention to the tech sector than in previous decades. Most of the people paying attention to this space dont have the technical capabilities that many e…

I agree with the prepackaging aspect, cita HN's dismissal of Dropbox. In the meantime, The global enterprise with all its might has not been able to stop high profile computer hacks/data leaks from happening. I don't think people will cry over a misconfigured supabase database. It's nothing worse than what's already out there.

Sure everybody wants security and that's what they will say but does that really translate to reduced inferred value of vibe code tools? I haven't seen evidence

Re: Hacking Moltbook

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Post by ccppurcell »

Terretta wrote: post #81
aaroninsf wrote: post #31

Scott Alexander put his finger on the most salient aspect of this, IMO, which I interpret this way: the compounding (aggregating) behavior of agents allowed to interact in environments this becomes important, indeed shall soon become existential (for some definition of "soon"), to the extent that agents' behavior in our shared world is impact by what transpires there. -- We can argue and do, about what agents "are" a…

> We can argue and do, about what agents "are" and whether they are parrots (no) or people (not yet). It's more helpful to argue about when people are parrots and when people are not. For a good portion of the day humans behave indistinguishably from continuation machines. As moltbook can emulate reddit, continuation machines can emulate a uni cafeteria. What's been said before will certainly be said again, most diff…

People like to, ahem, parrot this view, that we are not much more than parrots ourselves. But it's nonsense. There is something it is like to be me. I might be doing some things "on autopilot" but while I'm doing that I'm having dreams, nostalgia, dealing with suffering, and so on.

Re: Hacking Moltbook

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Post by charcircuit »

saberience wrote: post #62
elicash wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you are a bit too caught up in tweets. People can be more or less excited about a particular piece of tech than you are and it doesn't mean their brains are turned off.

This is what Karpathy said: “ What's currently going on at @moltbook is genuinely the most incredible sci-fi takeoff-adjacent thing I have seen recently. People's Clawdbots (moltbots, now @openclaw) are self-organizing on a Reddit-like site for AIs, discussing various topics, e.g. even how to speak privately.” Which imo is a totally insane take. They are not self organizing or autonomous, they are prompted in a loop…

The fact that these are agents of actual people who have communicated their goals is what makes this interesting. Without that you get essentially subreddit simulator.

If you dismiss it because they are human prompted, you are missing the point.

Re: Hacking Moltbook

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Post by charcircuit »

Philip-J-Fry wrote: post #33

I don't understand how anyone seriously hyping this up honestly thought it was restricted to JUST AI agents? It's literally a web service. Are people really that AI brained that they will scream and shout about how revolutionary something is just because it's related to AI? How can some of the biggest names in AI fall for this? When it was obvious to anyone outside of their inner sphere? The amount of money in the ga…

Normal social media websites can be spammed using web requests too. That doesn't mean they can't connect people. Help fans learn about a bands new song or tour. Help friends keep up to date. Or companies announce new products and features to their users. There is value to a interconnected social layer.
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