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Re: The Codex App

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Post by mellosouls »

mellosouls wrote: post #44

Mac only. Again . Apple is great but this is OpenAI devs showing their disconnect from the mainstream. Its complacent at best, contemptuous at worst. SamA or somebody really needs to give the product managers here a kick up the arse.

Kudos to the OpenAI reps for responding to my comment and doing so politely.

My ire was provoked by this following on from the Windows ChatGPT app that was just a container for the webpage compared to the earlier bells and whistles Mac app. Perceptions are built on those sorts of decisions.

Re: The Codex App

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Post by wiether »

jimmy76615 wrote: post #132
rubslopes wrote: post #128

To me, the obvious next step for these companies is to integrate their products with web hosting. At this point, the remaining hurdle for non-developers is deploying their creations to the cloud with built-in monetization.

Just tell it to use your gcp/aws account using the cli, makes it infinitely powerful in terms of deployment. (Also, while I might miss some parts of programming that I have given to AI, I certainly don't miss working with clouds).

> Just tell it to use your gcp/aws account using the cli

Please don't.

People burning through their tokens allowance on Claude Code is one thing.

People having their agent unknowingly provisioning thousands of $ of cloud resources is something completely different.

Re: The Codex App

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Post by strongpigeon »

tomjen3 wrote: post #166
embirico wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

(I work on Codex) One detail you might appreciate is that we built the app with a ton of code sharing with the CLI (as core agent harness) and the VSCode extension (UI layer), so that as we improve any of those, we polish them all.

Awesome. Any chance we will see a phone app? I know coding on a phone sounds stupid, but with an agent it’s mostly approvals and small comments.

The ChatGPT app on iOS has a Codex page, though it only seems to be for the "cloud" version.

Re: The Codex App

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Post by nkohari »

anematode wrote: post #161
nkohari wrote: post #157

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> I don’t understand why we are getting these software products that want to have vendor lock in when the underlying system isn’t being improved. I think it's clear now that the pace of model improvements is asymptotic (or at least it's reached a local maxima) and the model itself provides no moat. (Every few weeks last year, the perception of "the best model" changed, based on basically nothing other than random vib…

> I think it's clear now that the pace of model improvements is asymptotic As much as I wish it were, I don't think this is clear at all... it's only been a couple months since Opus 4.5, after all, which many developers state was a major change compared to previous models.

Like I said, lots of vibes and hearsay! :)

The models are definitely continuing to improve; it's more of a question of whether we're reaching diminishing returns. It might make sense to spend $X billion to train a new model that's 100% better, but it makes much less sense to spend $X0 billion to train a new model that's 10% better. (Numbers all made up, obviously.)

Re: The Codex App

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Post by wendgeabos »

wpm wrote: post #164

Maybe I'm just not getting it, but I just don't give a flying fuck about any of this crap. Like, seriously, this is the grand new vision of using a computer, this is the interface to these LLMs we're settling on? This is the best we could come up with? Having an army of chatbots chatting to each other running basic build commands in a terminal while we what? Supervise them? Yell at them? When am I getting manager pay…

OK.

Re: The Codex App

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Post by anonymous908213 »

deepfriedbits wrote: post #168
FeteCommuniste wrote: post #149

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I'm the same way but I've got the gloomy sense that folks like us are about to be swept aside by the flood if we don't "adapt." I got invites to seven AI-centered meetings late last week.

Same. And indeed, it's here. The genie is not going back into the bottle, so we have to learn how to live in this new world. Eric Schmidt has spoken a lot recently about how it's one of the biggest advances in human history and it's hard to disagree with him, even if some aspects make me anxious.

One of the biggest advances in human history, and yet the owners of the technology with access to an unlimited number of "agents" using frontier models still can't release a desktop chat application without using Electron to bring in several hundred mb of bloat for displaying text. Someone's going to have to explain this one to me because the math is not mathing.

Re: The Codex App

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Post by esafak »

joe8756438 wrote: post #49
RA_Fisher wrote: post #24

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It’s possible to run up to 4 agents at once vs. Claude Code’s single thread. Sometimes I’ll find meaningful quality differences between what agents produce.

Interesting. Has anyone found running multiple parallel agents useful in practice?

You'd save time compared with running them in serial obviously?

Re: The Codex App

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Post by bonesss »

raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #154
strongpigeon wrote: post #139

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The trick to reach the usage limit is to run many agents in parallel. Not that it’s an explicit goal of mine but I keep thinking of this blog post [0] and then try to get Codex to do as much for me as possible in parallel [0]: http://theoryofconstraints.blogspot.com/2007/06/toc-stories-...

Telling a bunch of agents to do stuff is like treating it as a senior developer who you trust to take an ambiguous business requirement and letting them use their best judgment and them asking you if they have a question . But doing that with AI feels like hiring an outsourcing firm for a project and they come back with an unmaintable mess that’s hard to reason through 5 weeks later. I very much micro manage my AI ag…

My experience with good outsourcing firms is that they come back with heavily-documented solutions that are 95% of what you actually wanted, leaving you uncomfortably wondering if doing it yourself woulda been better.

I’m not fully sure what’s worse, something close to garbage with a short shelf life anyone can see, or something so close to usable that it can fully bite me in the ass…

Re: The Codex App

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Post by deepfriedbits »

lacoolj wrote: post #90

OpenAI, ChatGPT, Codex So many of the things that pioneered the way for the truly good (Claude, Gemini) to evolve. I am thankful for what they have done. But the quality is gone, and they are now in catch-up mode. This is clear, not just from the quality of GPT-5.x outputs, but from this article. They launch something new, flashy, should get the attention of all of us. And yet, they only launch to Apple devices? Then…

I can't speak to the typos, but launching first for MacOS not something new for OpenAI. They did the same with their dedicated desktop client.

Re: The Codex App

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Post by marstall »

shevy-java wrote: post #145

No. I am glad to not depend on AI. It would annoy me to no ends how it tries to assimilate everything. It's like systemd on roids in this aspect. It will swallow up more and more tasks. Granted, in a way this is saying "then it was not necessary to have this things anymore now that AI solves it all", but I am skeptical of "the praised land" here. Skynet was not trusted back in 1982 or so. I don't trust AI either.

i wonder if the skills will divide a bit. That there will be those who still program by hand - and this will be a needed skill, though AI will be a part of their daily toolset to a greater or lesser degree.

Then there will be the AI wranglers who act almost like DevOps engineers for the AI - producing software in a different way ...

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