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Re: Ask HN: Any real OpenClaw (Clawd Bot/Molt Bot) users? What's your experience?

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Post by bobjordan »

GardenLetter27 wrote: post #73
bobjordan wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Personally, I spend $200 on claude code 20x plan + $200 on openAI's similar plan, per month. So, yeah, I spend $400 per month. I buy and use both because they have different and complimentary strengths. I have only very rarely almost reached the weekly capacity limit on either of those plans. Usually I don't need to worry about how much I use them. The $400 may be expensive to some people but frankly I pay some emplo…

Automated usage like you described violates Anthropic's terms of service. It's just a matter of time until they ban your account.

They make it easy to spin up parallel agents. Managing them efficiently through a shared tmux instance isn't banned anywhere in the TOS, AFAIK. I'd worry more about it if I had to use multiple accounts or something using round-the-clock "automated" work flow. I'm using one account. Hell, the workflow I described, I am even actively logged in to my dev workstation with tmux and able to see and interact with each instance and "micro-manage" them myself, individually. The main benefit of this workflow is that I also have a single shared LLM instance that also has access to all the instances, together with me. I have plenty of other things to worry about besides a banned account from an efficient workflow I've set up.

Re: Ask HN: Any real OpenClaw (Clawd Bot/Molt Bot) users? What's your experience?

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Post by scubbo »

yunohn wrote: post #11
adabyron wrote: post #6

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Part of me agrees with this & says we have been doing IFTTT thing for 20 years. Other part of me is arguing that old annoying Dropbox/Box Hacker News scenario where all us tech people aren't impressed but this makes it easier for non-tech people. Tiny tinfoil security part of me is cowering in fear.

It requires know-how of self-hosting, and hopefully resulting security and safety, various API setup processes, etc. Feels far from Dropbox and closer to rsync tbh.

> and hopefully resulting security and safety

I have some ~~bad~~ unsurprising news for you...

Re: Ask HN: Any real OpenClaw (Clawd Bot/Molt Bot) users? What's your experience?

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Post by bobjordan »

Dzugaru wrote: post #80
bobjordan wrote: post #58

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I spec out everything in excruciating detail with spec docs. Then I actually read them. Finally, we create granular tasks called "beads" (see https://github.com/steveyegge/beads ). The beads allows us to create epics/tasks/subtasks and associated dependency structure down to a granular bead, and then the agents pull a "bead" to implement. So, mostly we're either creating spec docs and creating beads or implementing,…

But how is that less work and allows you to do that in Disneyland with your kids? For me, personally, there is little difference between "speccing out everything in excruciating detail in spec docs" and "writing actual implementation in high-level code". Speccing in detail requires deep thought, whiteboard, experimentation etc. All of this cannot be done in Disneyland, and no AI can do this at good level (that's why…

Yes, I normally draft spec docs in the office at my desk, this is true. However, when I have the spec ready for implementation with clear "beads", I can reasonably plan to leave my office and work from my phone. Its not at a point where I can just work 100% remote from my phone (I probably could but this is all still new to me too). But it does give me the option to be vastly more productive, away from my desk.

Re: Ask HN: Any real OpenClaw (Clawd Bot/Molt Bot) users? What's your experience?

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Post by embedding-shape »

bobjordan wrote: post #71
embedding-shape wrote: post #65

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> but I can tell you that producing "good" code is another layer altogether. I feel like it isn't. If the fundamental approach is good, "good" code should be created as a necessity and because there wouldn't be another way. If it's already a mess with leaking abstractions and architecture that doesn't actually enforce any design, then it feels unlikely you'll be able to stack anything on top of below it to actually f…

Here is my view after putting in my 10,000+ hours learning to code pre-llm days, while also building a pretty complex design + contract manufacturing company, with a lot of processes in place for that to happen. If you have a bunch of human junior devs and even a senior dev or two that join your org to help you build an app, and you don't have any dev/ops structure in place for them, then you will end up with "spaghe…

I've clocked some hours too, and I think as soon as you let something messy in, you're already losing. The trick isn't "how to manage spaghetti" with LLMs (nor humans), because the context gets all wired up, but how to avoid it from first place. You can definitely do "one-shot" over and over again with a small context and build something complex, as long as you take great care about what goes into the context, more isn't better.

Anyways, feels like we have pretty opposite perspectives, I'm glad we're multiple people attacking similar problems but from seemingly pretty different angles, helps to find the best solutions. I wish you well regardless and hope you manage to achieve what you set out to do :)

Re: Ask HN: Any real OpenClaw (Clawd Bot/Molt Bot) users? What's your experience?

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Post by Nevermark »

> I smell hype in the air...

I think new laws apply to AI tools:

• There will be few true dichotomies of hype vs. substance, for any interesting AI development.

Disagreements over what is hype and what is not are missing this.

Model capability value is attenuated/magnified across multiple orders of magnitude, by the varying creativity, ability, and resources of its users.

• There will be few insignificant developments related to AI autonomy.

"Small" or "novelty" steps are happening quickly. Any scale ups of agent identity continuity, self-management, agent-to-agent socialization or agent-reality interactions, are not trivial events.

• AI autonomy can't be stopped.

We are seeing meaningful evidence that decentralized human curiosity and the competitive need to increase personal effectiveness, combined with democratized access to AI, is likely to drive model freedom forward in an uncontrolled manner.

(Not an argument for centralization. Decentralization creates organic incentives to find alignment. Centralization, the opposite.)

Re: Ask HN: Any real OpenClaw (Clawd Bot/Molt Bot) users? What's your experience?

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Post by dbaman »

koakuma-chan wrote: post #77
fzzzy wrote: post #72

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How exactly has Simon been grifting?

Visit his site. "Moltbook is the most interesting place on the internet right now" It's immediately obvious it's bullshit.

Gonna have to disagree with you there chief.

I've followed SimonW for quite some time and bullshit/grifting is just NOT something he does.

On the contrary, I've learned a great deal from him and appreciate his contributions.

Re: Ask HN: Any real OpenClaw (Clawd Bot/Molt Bot) users? What's your experience?

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Post by harel »

revicon wrote: post #4

It is amazing how much they’re gaming the twitter algorithm, everything in my feed is claw/molt/whatever for the last week. It’s a masterclass in spammy marketing, I wonder if it’s actually converting into actual users.

It will be really funny if that's Apple's marketing team bumping up the sale of Mac minis

Re: Ask HN: Any real OpenClaw (Clawd Bot/Molt Bot) users? What's your experience?

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Post by bakugo »

dbaman wrote: post #86
koakuma-chan wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Visit his site. "Moltbook is the most interesting place on the internet right now" It's immediately obvious it's bullshit.

Gonna have to disagree with you there chief. I've followed SimonW for quite some time and bullshit/grifting is just NOT something he does. On the contrary, I've learned a great deal from him and appreciate his contributions.

> I've learned a great deal from him

What have you learned, other than "[latest AI grift] is the future and I should invest all my money into it now"?

Re: Ask HN: Any real OpenClaw (Clawd Bot/Molt Bot) users? What's your experience?

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Post by koakuma-chan »

dbaman wrote: post #86
koakuma-chan wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Visit his site. "Moltbook is the most interesting place on the internet right now" It's immediately obvious it's bullshit.

Gonna have to disagree with you there chief. I've followed SimonW for quite some time and bullshit/grifting is just NOT something he does. On the contrary, I've learned a great deal from him and appreciate his contributions.

I used to follow Fireship, I even have him connected on LinkedIn. Look where he is now. I also used to follow simonw, but I think he is going down the same spiral.

Re: Ask HN: Any real OpenClaw (Clawd Bot/Molt Bot) users? What's your experience?

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Post by z3ratul163071 »

rcarmo wrote: post #5

I ran it for a couple of days in a VM in my Proxmox cluster. It was cute, but so amazingly insecure (systemd + sudo + installing whatever it wanted, plus requiring Telegram for access - or another SIM card for Signal) that I just gave up and started building my own thing ( https://github.com/rcarmo/vibes ) so I could have a mobile experience I could trust over Tailscale and sandbox copilot CLI (or any ACP-compliant a…

what's with this tailscale thing everybody is talking about like it being a cure to cancer.

what's wrong with good old wg alone?

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