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Students using “humanizer” programs to beat accusations of cheating with AI

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Re: Students using “humanizer” programs to beat accusations of cheating with AI

#41

In person, proctored blue book exams are back! Sharpen those pencils kids. I've been wondering lately if one of the good things to come out of heavy LLM use will be a return to mostly in-person interactions once nothing that happens online is trustworthy anymore.

Yes! This "problem" is really easy to fix with in person exams and no computers in class, ever.

Re: Students using “humanizer” programs to beat accusations of cheating with AI

#42
post #26

This ship has sailed. It's how it was with the internet. I grew up in the 90s, and teacher didn't know how to deal with the fact we no longer had to go through multiple books in the library to get the information they needed. We barely needed to write it. Now nobody expects students to not use the internet. Same here: teachers must accept that AI can and will write papers and answer questions / do homework. How you t…

When I was in high school, we were not allowed to use calculator for most science classes ... And certainly not for math class. I'm ten years, will you want to hire a student who is coming out of college without considerable experience and practice with AI?

If all they know is AI, and they supplanted all their learning with AI, why even hire them? Just use the AI.

Re: Students using “humanizer” programs to beat accusations of cheating with AI

#43

This ship has sailed. It's how it was with the internet. I grew up in the 90s, and teacher didn't know how to deal with the fact we no longer had to go through multiple books in the library to get the information they needed. We barely needed to write it. Now nobody expects students to not use the internet. Same here: teachers must accept that AI can and will write papers and answer questions / do homework. How you t…

This is not how AI will be in the future.

At some point the will have to make profit, that will shape AI.

Either by higher prices or ads. Both will change the use of AI

Re: Students using “humanizer” programs to beat accusations of cheating with AI

#44
post #41

In person, proctored blue book exams are back! Sharpen those pencils kids. I've been wondering lately if one of the good things to come out of heavy LLM use will be a return to mostly in-person interactions once nothing that happens online is trustworthy anymore.

Yes! This "problem" is really easy to fix with in person exams and no computers in class, ever.

But is that webscale?

Re: Students using “humanizer” programs to beat accusations of cheating with AI

#45
post #41

In person, proctored blue book exams are back! Sharpen those pencils kids. I've been wondering lately if one of the good things to come out of heavy LLM use will be a return to mostly in-person interactions once nothing that happens online is trustworthy anymore.

Yes! This "problem" is really easy to fix with in person exams and no computers in class, ever.

This is the “back to office” of education. It is not a one size fits all solution. There are so many remote and hybrid classes now you guys sound outdated.

Re: Students using “humanizer” programs to beat accusations of cheating with AI

#46
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You’re absolutely right! Ha. Every time an AI passionately agrees with me, after I’ve given it criticism, I’m always 10x more skeptical of the quality of the work.

Why? The AI is just regurgitating tokens (including the sycophancy). Don't anthropomorphise it.

Because I was only 55% sure my comment was correct and the AI made it sound like it was the revelation of the century

Re: Students using “humanizer” programs to beat accusations of cheating with AI

#47

AI detectors punishing non native English speakers for writing too cleanly is the part nobody talks about enough -_-

For example, native English speakers often make phonetic spelling errors (such as its/it’s, your/you’re) that non-native English speakers usually avoid. It’s probably a sign that someone speaks more fluently when he starts making these types of mistakes from time to time.

Re: Students using “humanizer” programs to beat accusations of cheating with AI

#48
post #26

This ship has sailed. It's how it was with the internet. I grew up in the 90s, and teacher didn't know how to deal with the fact we no longer had to go through multiple books in the library to get the information they needed. We barely needed to write it. Now nobody expects students to not use the internet. Same here: teachers must accept that AI can and will write papers and answer questions / do homework. How you t…

When I was in high school, we were not allowed to use calculator for most science classes ... And certainly not for math class. I'm ten years, will you want to hire a student who is coming out of college without considerable experience and practice with AI?

Should I, by some miracle, be hiring, I'd be hiring those who come out of college with a solid education. As many have pointed out, AI is not immune to the "garbage in, garbage out" principle and it's education that enables the user to ask informed and precisely worded questions to the AI to get usable output instead of slop.

Re: Students using “humanizer” programs to beat accusations of cheating with AI

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know a lot of teachers are reverting back to handwritten papers. People can generate it but at least you're doing something.

This is just about the worst possible response it seems. It manages to probably hurt some wrists not used to long handwriting sessions, completely avoid learning how to use and attribute AI responsibly, and still probably just results in kids handwriting AI generated slop, anyway.

It also disadvantages people with disabilities. How exactly are they supposed to do these papers and tests? Dictate everything to someone else, using Blindness as an example? Because that seems very very inefficient and extremely error-prone.

Re: Students using “humanizer” programs to beat accusations of cheating with AI

#50
I've heard some teachers are assigning their students to 'grade' a paper written by LLM. The students use an LLM to generate a paper on the topic, print it out, then notate in the margins by hand where it's right and wrong, including checking the sources.
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