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Finland looks to introduce Australia-style ban on social media

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Re: Finland looks to introduce Australia-style ban on social media

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Post by beAbU »

Tade0 wrote: post #16

I'm eternally grateful that the social media network that I was part of throughout my teenage years abruptly disappeared from the internet, never to come back again. Some say it was a technical failure during migration when the company was trying to pivot to file hosting, but it's impossible to verify. Perhaps these bans are a blessing in disguise and future generations will be happy to not have their most awkward st…

Are you referring to MySpace?

My highschool band had tracks and videos of live performances in the school hall on there that is forever lost and I'm still bitter about it.

Re: Finland looks to introduce Australia-style ban on social media

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Post by bluescrn »

bamboozled wrote: post #23
bluescrn wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IMHO the main point of these schemes is to make it hard for adults to use social media somewhat-anonyously. So the government can more easily identify those posting 'prohibited speech'. If there was a legitimate drive to protect kids from the worst of the Internet, there'd have been more of a crackdown on porn, gore, etc long before social media became such a big problem. And smartphones would have never been allowed…

What major revolutions or important political shifts have occurred from people anonymously shitposting on Reddit or Facebook ?

The online right talk about 'the great meme war' that led to the 2016 election of Trump.

Seems pretty clear that social media is radicalising people at both ends of the political spectrum, and it's not surprising that governments would want to restrict/police it by trying to criminalise 'hate'/'misinformation' and taking away the shield of anonymity.

Re: Finland looks to introduce Australia-style ban on social media

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Post by peyton »

bobthepanda wrote: post #22
joe_mamba wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Who decides whether an ad is targeting children or not? Much simpler than that, you just ban all targeted ads full stop end of story. The ad-funded internet existed in the 90s before ad targeting was a thing. You went on a car forum, you'd get ads about car parts. You went on a PC forum, you'd get ads about PC parts. Pretty simple stuff that didn't need to know your age, gender, political affiliation, ovulation stat…

Ads and media are generally exploitative and manipulative, even if not targeted specifically at anybody. 3 years after the nation of Fiji received its first television broadcasts in 1995, dieting and disordered eating went from unheard of to double digit percentages among teenage girls. https://www.nytimes.com/1999/05/20/world/study-finds-tv-alte... > Before 1995, Dr. Becker said, there was little talk of dieting in…

I mean as of 2011 over half the native women are obese [1]. I don’t know what to make of it other than that’s a lot. Dr. Anne Becker may be really into preserving traditional Fijian culture or whatever but it sounds like some of the local girls don’t want to anymore.

[1]: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26201444/

Re: Finland looks to introduce Australia-style ban on social media

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Post by direwolf20 »

digiown wrote: post #29
bluescrn wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IMHO the main point of these schemes is to make it hard for adults to use social media somewhat-anonyously. So the government can more easily identify those posting 'prohibited speech'. If there was a legitimate drive to protect kids from the worst of the Internet, there'd have been more of a crackdown on porn, gore, etc long before social media became such a big problem. And smartphones would have never been allowed…

You already basically can't use most mainstream platforms anonymously. Try registering a Facebook without a phone number (you need to give a passport to get one in most of Europe).

Do children have no phone numbers or do they use their parent's?

Re: Finland looks to introduce Australia-style ban on social media

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Post by direwolf20 »

bamboozled wrote: post #23
bluescrn wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IMHO the main point of these schemes is to make it hard for adults to use social media somewhat-anonyously. So the government can more easily identify those posting 'prohibited speech'. If there was a legitimate drive to protect kids from the worst of the Internet, there'd have been more of a crackdown on porn, gore, etc long before social media became such a big problem. And smartphones would have never been allowed…

What major revolutions or important political shifts have occurred from people anonymously shitposting on Reddit or Facebook ?

Donald Trump?

Re: Finland looks to introduce Australia-style ban on social media

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Post by jbm »

Aeolun wrote: post #31

Is it really so controversial to ban it entirely? We ban heroin and other hard drugs. I think most people are better off, and have a more nuanced view of reality if the only news they get is local. Or the updates from people they know always in person.

I remember reading the Montreal Gazette as a kid, with their lopsided takes on various issues (local and international) as a result of their "organic local" writers. The local talk radio (CJAD) was worse.

I much prefer Youtube videos and international media from multiple viewpoints to that world.

Re: Finland looks to introduce Australia-style ban on social media

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Post by pydry »

Mindwipe wrote: post #20
alkonaut wrote: post #17

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Any kind of zero knowledge verification should be ok. But with minors it often goes a long way to just make the law. It’s a good instruction to parents who should be able to control this. Laws on bike helmets for minors are followed nearly 100% not because they are enforced by authorities but because the law gives parents guidance.

There is no such thing in practice. Anything with zero knowledge is never going to be considered robust enough by a government. Zero knowledge protocols really have no functional revocation mechanism.

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Re: Finland looks to introduce Australia-style ban on social media

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Post by pfdietz »

athrowaway3z wrote: post #37
bluescrn wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IMHO the main point of these schemes is to make it hard for adults to use social media somewhat-anonyously. So the government can more easily identify those posting 'prohibited speech'. If there was a legitimate drive to protect kids from the worst of the Internet, there'd have been more of a crackdown on porn, gore, etc long before social media became such a big problem. And smartphones would have never been allowed…

I'm very critical of all the schemes proposed but this is just a fundamental misconception on your part. > If there was a legitimate drive to protect kids from the worst of the Internet As with any disease, the impact heavily depends on virality. The worst the internet has to offer to children, is not the gore or porn for the few that look for it (usually individually). The worst it does to children is the attention…

"But think of the children" has always been the go-to excuse for tossing freedom out the window.

Re: Finland looks to introduce Australia-style ban on social media

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Post by riffraff »

bitshiftfaced wrote: post #21
digiown wrote: post #11

I secretly wish it would use a verification scheme that's so invasive/annoying, that even adults would stop using it anyway.

"Social media" doesn't just mean Facebook right? It includes sites like Hacker News, yeah?

the approach australia took is a list of prohibited applications. It's not "fair" to a technically minded person, but it's a practical alternative, even if it would obviously lead to a whack-a-mole situation.
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