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Finland looks to introduce Australia-style ban on social media

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Re: Finland looks to introduce Australia-style ban on social media

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Is it really so controversial to ban it entirely? We ban heroin and other hard drugs. I think most people are better off, and have a more nuanced view of reality if the only news they get is local. Or the updates from people they know always in person.

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Re: Finland looks to introduce Australia-style ban on social media

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post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Social media" doesn't just mean Facebook right? It includes sites like Hacker News, yeah?

I'd draw a line using some of these aspects: - Algorithmic recommendation / "engagement" engineering - Profit/business model - Images/Videos - Real-life identity

Retweet/repost is a part of your first bullet point, and is big in itself. There is a book about the history and present of social media from a few years back that calls out the retweet function as a major clshift in the viral nature of social media and its use to spread (mis) information.

Re: Finland looks to introduce Australia-style ban on social media

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post #31

Is it really so controversial to ban it entirely? We ban heroin and other hard drugs. I think most people are better off, and have a more nuanced view of reality if the only news they get is local. Or the updates from people they know always in person.

Compare it to marijuanna instead. Then it’s on the same level of controversy.

Re: Finland looks to introduce Australia-style ban on social media

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How do they even define “social media”? Do they just ban kids from participating in society using electronic communications? Or maintain a stoplist “here’s what we consider to be social media”? Or what?

I mean, sure, prime examples of what is colloquially called “social media” is crapware. I do get the intent.

But I wonder what sort of unintended, unplanned, odd and potentially even socially harmful consequences it would possibly have.

Re: Finland looks to introduce Australia-style ban on social media

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post #11

I secretly wish it would use a verification scheme that's so invasive/annoying, that even adults would stop using it anyway.

IMHO the main point of these schemes is to make it hard for adults to use social media somewhat-anonyously. So the government can more easily identify those posting 'prohibited speech'. If there was a legitimate drive to protect kids from the worst of the Internet, there'd have been more of a crackdown on porn, gore, etc long before social media became such a big problem. And smartphones would have never been allowed…

I'm very critical of all the schemes proposed but this is just a fundamental misconception on your part.

> If there was a legitimate drive to protect kids from the worst of the Internet

As with any disease, the impact heavily depends on virality.

The worst the internet has to offer to children, is not the gore or porn for the few that look for it (usually individually). The worst it does to children is the attention algorithm that captures practically everybody.

Re: Finland looks to introduce Australia-style ban on social media

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post #31

Is it really so controversial to ban it entirely? We ban heroin and other hard drugs. I think most people are better off, and have a more nuanced view of reality if the only news they get is local. Or the updates from people they know always in person.

Social media is not a hard drug.

Re: Finland looks to introduce Australia-style ban on social media

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I'm fine with this, as long as they DO NOT require any form of ID or 'age' verification. Instead this should be attacked from the profit side, by banning any form of advertising which might target children. If there's no profit to be made in servicing said demographic and a law requesting at least end user 'agreement' that they are an adult, this should be sufficient.

Who decides whether an ad is targeting children or not? I’m not playing devil’s advocate, I’m curious what the SOTA is for ad moderation. I’m sure it’s relatively easy to tell a kid’s toy ad from adult ones like alcohol, but how do you differentiate toy ads targeting parents vs toy ads targeting kids?

We should ban all ads.

Re: Finland looks to introduce Australia-style ban on social media

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post #11

I secretly wish it would use a verification scheme that's so invasive/annoying, that even adults would stop using it anyway.

IMHO the main point of these schemes is to make it hard for adults to use social media somewhat-anonyously. So the government can more easily identify those posting 'prohibited speech'. If there was a legitimate drive to protect kids from the worst of the Internet, there'd have been more of a crackdown on porn, gore, etc long before social media became such a big problem. And smartphones would have never been allowed…

90% of the people that spout racism, conspiracy theories, threaten people, etc.. on social networks use their real name and login with their phone number, there's no need to ask the social networks to get ID cards, if you are the government.
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