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Re: YouTube blocks background video playback on Brave and other browsers

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That’s not remotely true.

I was going to try to make the monopoly argument but then realized I only think youtube is a monopoly because I don't use tiktok. It is just an oligopoly like most other sectors.

TikTok as an alternative to YouTube?

And then I realised people primarily consume shorts.

Re: YouTube blocks background video playback on Brave and other browsers

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While I'm not pro YouTube, I think it's fine for companies to decide how to monetise their product, including things which were originally free. If you don't like free services, stop using them

>If you don't like free services, stop using them Problem is, there's no real alternative for YouTube. It's a monopoly.

By contributing to something I don't agree with it's called hypocrisy. Just don't use it. That's probably the only thing you can do about if you want change.

Re: YouTube blocks background video playback on Brave and other browsers

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It's only a matter of time before the entire YouTube catalog transitions to DRM-encrypted video that you can only watch on Google-sanctioned devices. They're probably doing the math on how to make the platform at least as profitable with a drastically lower DAU count, since alienating users now seems to be their top priority.

>It's only a matter of time before the entire YouTube catalog transitions to DRM-encrypted video that you can only watch on Google-sanctioned devices.

Oh, absolutely. If someone is not seeing this writing on the wall, they must be blind.

Re: YouTube blocks background video playback on Brave and other browsers

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Okay, so list which websites I can use to watch all kinds of content that I can find on YouTube. Vimeo? It's basically dead. DailyMotion? It could've been an alternative, but they've recently deleted most old videos. Peertube? Nice idea in theory, but lack of content.

Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, and Tiktok all fulfil the 'whatever topic I am interested in this second, there are videos about it' property, though admittedly they do not have near as much meritorious long-form content as YouTube.

Damn, I didn't know you could watch your long videos on TikTok. When did this happen?

Re: YouTube blocks background video playback on Brave and other browsers

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What a waste of resources. Imagine employing some of the most brilliant engineers on the planet and allocating man-hours towards artificially worsening the experience for your userbase in order to blackmail them into paying you, and giving them back what they had in the first place. At least this is a loosing game for Google, since this is client side behaviour.

> Imagine employing some of the most brilliant engineers on the planet Maybe we should stop with that tired fallacious rhetoric? Just because you work at a massive company doesn’t make you “brilliant”.

GP did not say that just because you work at a massive company you are brilliant. Nor did they say just working at Google makes you brilliant.

The irony of your comment of accusing them of using fallacious rhetoric, is that your reply uses one of the most common fallacies of all: strawman fallacy

Re: YouTube blocks background video playback on Brave and other browsers

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Imagine trying to take a basic browser function we’ve all taken for granted for decades and attempt to paywall it as ‘Background playback is a feature intended to be exclusive for YouTube Premium members.’ Get fucked. I vote we remove API access to any focus state information. Fuck you google.

> Imagine trying to take a basic browser function we’ve all taken for granted for decades What basic browser function is that? Video playback with the video tag? It's only been around for about 15 years and mainstream for 10 years.

This is disingenuous - we were all watching flash video for about a decade before that. And before that we were watching (terrible ~160x120) video in realvideo* or asf format using browser plugins, since maybe 1997-1998, certainly before 2000.

* tangiential rambling old-person side-note: RealPlayer was a weird early example of a piece of software that was actually _better_ on Linux: The windoze version was notorious for also installing a thousand other pieces of spyware/adware and other trash, taking over your system and making it worse, to the point that people avoided it like the plague... But none of that crapware supported Linux, so the Linux version was just this relatively clean player that came as a self-contained, easy to install rpm and worked pretty well. I used to use RealPlayer a fair bit back in my early Linux days. When I used to tie an onion my belt, which was the style at the time.

Re: YouTube blocks background video playback on Brave and other browsers

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Install the Youtube Control Panel extension by soitis. It's available for all desktop and mobile browsers, and does a lot to restore sanity on YouTube.

If you want something lighter for Firefox Android. There is also the Background Video Player extension.

Re: YouTube blocks background video playback on Brave and other browsers

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post #61

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Nice - you’ve just increased significantly power consumption of your browser! Browsers will “slow down” various aspects of pages when they’re not visible, like animations or timers, to save on battery usage on laptops or phones. Even if your remove explicit APIs for backgrounding, pages can still use heuristics to detect anyway.

The user should be making the choice - not the website. The website could be informed about being backgrounded, if the user chooses to. But the user should have the priority in the decision chain - their choice overrides any that the website makes. That is what it means to have control over your own computing.

>That is what it means to have control over your own computing.

Ah, see, there's the problem. The corpo apologists in the room don't want you to have that. The hardware you bought; err, licensed; to them, is their playground.

Re: YouTube blocks background video playback on Brave and other browsers

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What a waste of resources. Imagine employing some of the most brilliant engineers on the planet and allocating man-hours towards artificially worsening the experience for your userbase in order to blackmail them into paying you, and giving them back what they had in the first place. At least this is a loosing game for Google, since this is client side behaviour.

While I'm not pro YouTube, I think it's fine for companies to decide how to monetise their product, including things which were originally free. If you don't like free services, stop using them

They're removing functionality that you already heave built into your browser in order to force you to pay to get that functionality back.

That's not monetization that's exploitation.

Would you feel the same if your phone suddenly updated so that your camera records in half quality unless you start paying monthly? It's their product, they can monetize it how they like.

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