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Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Post by 202508042147 »

rookonaut wrote: post #148
202508042147 wrote: post #58

Last week I migrated our db away from AWS RDS to a European cloud provider. Everything runs fine and we also have it cheaper! One of our domains is due for renewal in a couple of months. I'm setting up the transfer to a EU registrar for it next week. This all takes time and it's not the most important thing for the bottom line, but on the long run I'm sure I'll look back and say it was a great investment.

Can you disclose which European cloud provider you chose?

We went with Hetzner as we already had good experiences with their VPSes. For this particular db migration, a resonably sized VPS with volumes does the job for us. We don't have planet scale operations so the lowish IOPS is not an issue atm. Also, with this experience at hand, I am confident that we'll manage another migration if need be.

Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Post by no_op »

9dev wrote: post #91
bambax wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We already have excellent cloud providers in Europe. But most importantly, most businesses using the cloud would be better off with simple on-prem solutions. So much cheaper to operate and control.

> So much cheaper to operate and control. Until you factor in the salaries of the new employees you have to hire now, the cost of that hiring process, the compliance and security implications of operating servers on your premises, the ongoing maintenance of the software and operating systems, the new infrastructure to maintain, including but not limited to backup power supply and overall redundancy, the need to manag…

A lot of this could be standardized and packaged into a product, a modern take on the 'server appliance.' Unpack some gear, plug it together according to a nice diagram, connect to a management console that feels familiar to anyone who's deployed to the cloud.

Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Post by Imustaskforhelp »

atmosx wrote: post #38
abc123abc123 wrote: post #23

This already happened. Hetzner, OVH, and countless other local cloud companies exist. It is only the path of least resistancd and market inertia, that stops companies from switching. I run on Hetzner and am saving big bucks compared to the ridiculously high priced AWS.

Comparing EU cloud providers to AWS is like comparing a 1963 Zastava to 2025 high end BYD because both of them are cars and can drive from point A to point B.

Scaleway (maybe upcloud as well) are also great and atleast Scaleway from what I know has many many features and its really competitive with the offerings it provides in general and has many offerings.

Your point's a little moot.

Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Post by barnacs »

jeffrallen wrote: post #90
barnacs wrote: post #39

As if the surveillance and regulation by the unelected EU bureaucrats was any better for the European citizens...

European citizens have the right to shop around. If they choose a cloud provider from a European country with higher data protection than their home country, they can send a message to their own government. Swiss data protection law is an example of this. An Italian municipality could choose to use Infomaniak or Exoscale and increase their sovereignty and privacy.

As a European citizen, I can assure you, my options are getting ever more limited. Several global companies have kicked me off their platforms recently due to all the regulations they can't be bothered with. Those that make an effort to comply are by default required to submit to the EU surveillance system. At the same time, I have no illusions that any of this would somehow protect my data from the NSA and the like.

In my view, data can only be protected by its rightful owner. And for that, we need education, not regulation.

Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Post by embedding-shape »

202508042147 wrote: post #137
embedding-shape wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> to a EU registrar Which one? I've been using DNSimple for so long, been trying to find something equally developer friendly who is based in Europe but haven't had much success. Used to use Gandi before DNSimple but it's obviously down the drain today.

Best would be to research a local one where you live. Support your community while you're at it!

I live in a town with 10K other folks, I feel like I'd know if there was a local DNS registrar here :)

But maybe I should be the change I wanna see!

Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Post by barnacs »

ndr42 wrote: post #57
barnacs wrote: post #39

As if the surveillance and regulation by the unelected EU bureaucrats was any better for the European citizens...

Even if you are right and everything is the same regarding surveillance and regulation: there are other important aspects that make the move to move european data out of the US worthwhile.

> other important aspects

like what?

Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Post by deaux »

simianparrot wrote: post #10
andersa wrote: post #7

This will happen automatically once an EU native cloud exists with comparable pricing. Get on it. No one will pay 10x to store data in Europe.

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Complete, utter bullshit. There are maybe 4 countries in the world with significantly less dependence on US tech. Out of those 4, one has magnitudes more government interference, another one has even more rules and regulations - including even stricter data privacy laws than GDPR - than the EU, the third has slightly less than the EU but also the lowest local tech % our of the 4, and the last one is Russia.

But sure, it's the rules and regulations that are the problem.

If you have any knowledge on the topic I don't need to name the other three.

Talking software as that's the discussion here, not hardware.

Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Post by victorbjorklund »

hartator wrote: post #62
embedding-shape wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> set the right free market conditions for real competition to happen Just as a curiosity, what exactly are those "right free market conditions" and where have those been successfully implemented before? Because I think most of us (Europeans) are desperately trying to avoid replicating the American experiment, so if that's the "right free market conditions" I think we're trying to avoid those on purpose. But maybe yo…

Contradictory regulations is one of the symptoms of overregulation. I.e., complying to GDPR means you can’t comply to cybersecurity laws. US has less of those.

All US companies selling to European customers have to comply with GDPR. European companies selling only to non-European customers don’t have to comply with GDPR. It’s all about who your users are. Not where your company is registered.

Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Post by ExoticPearTree »

I like it how everyone says that, but there is no european cloud operator able to offer what AWS/GCP/Azure offer. And if you are a start-up and you want to grow, the situation is even more dire.

And without a few hundreds of billions of EUR invested _today_ there will still be at least a decade until basic infrastructure will be somewhat on par with current day hyperscalers from the US.

And Office suite wise, it took Google about 15 years of pouring money into Google Docs to be almost as good as the MS offering.

Today, if for political reasons some EU companies will switch to whatever Europe has to offer in terms of cloud computing, they will need to spend a significant amount of money to retool their day to day pipelines and invest into developing or replacing cloud services with alternatives from the new provider or self-host if there is no native offering.

There’s a chance that the current situation will start to resolve itself in 3 years and we go back to normal, however that might look.

Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Post by ZenDroid »

moffkalast wrote: post #146
omnimus wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have seen transitions from MS suite at universities and I don't think what you are saying is true. First assumption is that there are no alternatives so you can't replace Excel as a software. Obvious ones for Excel - LibreOffice, Collabora, OnlyOffice or Grist (which i highly recommend). The paradoxical problem is there is no clear THE ONE so organizations get into decision paralysis and never move anywhere. The ot…

Well I hope you're right, the transitions I've seen proposed were mostly shot down because people refused to learn anything new and due to nebulous certification requirements that Microsoft of course has. Speaking of OnlyOffice, I've seen it crop up more and more lately and apparently it's Latvian, so maybe that will be the one eventually. Though my experience with it has been that it's not very stable (lots of crash…

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