These projects are extremely expensive and the findings can alter humanity itself. That's why private donors sounds a bit sketchy
How can they alter humanity? What's the difference for humanity since CERN found Higgs particle? In what ways could the potential dark matter particle detection alter humanity?
CERN accepts $1B in private cash towards Future Circular Collider
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Re: CERN accepts $1B in private cash towards Future Circular Collider
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It’s a place where extremely skilled people work highly motivated on humanities hardest problems at scale. CERN pushed distributed computing and storage before anyone else hat problems on that scale. CERN pushed edge computing for massive data analysis before anyone else even generated data at that rate. CERN is currently pushing the physical boundaries of device synchronisation ( Check „ White Rabbit“ ), same for da…
You are perfectly right, this has been similar to the "space industry" (which includes 'ballistic nukes' knowhow maintainance). The thing with a bigger collider is it seems there are, not that honnest, scientists retro-fitting models in order to reach 'appropriate for this new collider' energy ranges where 'new physics' could be found.
Going larger would cost more, and add risk.
So like, yes? The obvious thing to do is to analyze our models and come up with experiments to do within energy ranges which are plausibly accessible with near future technology.
Re: CERN accepts $1B in private cash towards Future Circular Collider
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You are perfectly right, this has been similar to the "space industry" (which includes 'ballistic nukes' knowhow maintainance). The thing with a bigger collider is it seems there are, not that honnest, scientists retro-fitting models in order to reach 'appropriate for this new collider' energy ranges where 'new physics' could be found.
What does that even mean? The FCC is essentially the next plausible energy range we can probe with a collider. Going larger would cost more, and add risk. So like, yes? The obvious thing to do is to analyze our models and come up with experiments to do within energy ranges which are plausibly accessible with near future technology.
Re: CERN accepts $1B in private cash towards Future Circular Collider
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How can they alter humanity? What's the difference for humanity since CERN found Higgs particle? In what ways could the potential dark matter particle detection alter humanity?
It’s a place where extremely skilled people work highly motivated on humanities hardest problems at scale. CERN pushed distributed computing and storage before anyone else hat problems on that scale. CERN pushed edge computing for massive data analysis before anyone else even generated data at that rate. CERN is currently pushing the physical boundaries of device synchronisation ( Check „ White Rabbit“ ), same for da…
I’m not sure I have any idea what the hardest problem in the humanities is.
Re: CERN accepts $1B in private cash towards Future Circular Collider
#16These projects are extremely expensive and the findings can alter humanity itself. That's why private donors sounds a bit sketchy
How can they alter humanity? What's the difference for humanity since CERN found Higgs particle? In what ways could the potential dark matter particle detection alter humanity?
Three examples of how humanity would not be as we know it today without CERN.
As Alumni, there are many other changes that trace back to CERN.
We don't sit only on the H1 beer garden and go skiing.
Re: CERN accepts $1B in private cash towards Future Circular Collider
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How can they alter humanity? What's the difference for humanity since CERN found Higgs particle? In what ways could the potential dark matter particle detection alter humanity?
Cancer treatment goes back to particle physics research at CERN, the Web was born there, cloud was previously known as Grid Computing at CERN, Three examples of how humanity would not be as we know it today without CERN. As Alumni, there are many other changes that trace back to CERN. We don't sit only on the H1 beer garden and go skiing.
What I don't understand, and maybe you can clarify, is how the very largest gargantuan accelerators can ever have practical relevance. How can effects and products which can only be studied with accelerators that are many miles large ever have application in hospitals unless those hospitals are also many miles large? Not going to lie, I get "NASA invented Tang" vibes whenever this subject comes up; like the medical applications of small accelerators are obvious and parsable to the public, so they are used to sell the public on accelerators the size of small countries.
Re: CERN accepts $1B in private cash towards Future Circular Collider
#18These projects are extremely expensive and the findings can alter humanity itself. That's why private donors sounds a bit sketchy
Higgs boson was predicted in theory in 1964, and found in LHC in CERN in 2012-2013. With this, all elementary particles in the standard model of particle physics have been found.
From the 1970s to 2010s, physicists believed in a theory called supersymmetry, which predicted supersymmetric partner particles for the known elementary particles. But these should have been already found in the energies used in LHC.
For the first time, there is no mainstream theory that would predict any new findings. Maybe the next bigger particle collider will find no new particles at all?
Re: CERN accepts $1B in private cash towards Future Circular Collider
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What does that even mean? The FCC is essentially the next plausible energy range we can probe with a collider. Going larger would cost more, and add risk. So like, yes? The obvious thing to do is to analyze our models and come up with experiments to do within energy ranges which are plausibly accessible with near future technology.
This is where there is a questionable issue: some network of dishonest scientists may have retro-fitted the models in order to get realitic energy ranges for this new collider.
Re: CERN accepts $1B in private cash towards Future Circular Collider
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How can they alter humanity? What's the difference for humanity since CERN found Higgs particle? In what ways could the potential dark matter particle detection alter humanity?
Cancer treatment goes back to particle physics research at CERN, the Web was born there, cloud was previously known as Grid Computing at CERN, Three examples of how humanity would not be as we know it today without CERN. As Alumni, there are many other changes that trace back to CERN. We don't sit only on the H1 beer garden and go skiing.
Are you speaking about proton therapy? I don’t think there’s any evidence that works better than alternatives