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Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Post by KaiserPro »

jgbuddy wrote: post #4

Thus is probably more about the EU having access to eu data than not having the US have access to EU data. Also it’s not like it’s impossible to encrypt things when you store them? This article is more political than logical or technical, it’s unfortunate that government control / intervention in the free market to this degree can be spun into something positive.

Its past political.

I work in energy now, and we host stuff in AWS. So far so normal.

However, with the tubthumping about invading greenland, We see that america is willing to evaporate any system that gets in the way of the sun king's world view. Sure, he says now that "we were never going to invade" but given the way you've all just given up your 1st, 4th, 10th and now 2nd amendment, we're not really that sure.

This means that when the next recession happens and the EU is busy competing, he'll ask "hey we subsidies the EU by getting them to pay for AWS, why don't we turn it off?" I mean that sounds far fetched, but so did unrelated personally controlled federal militia roving around states disappearing US citizens without trial.

tldr: you're damn right its about politics. He threatened to invade an ally, we aint hanging around to find out whats next.

Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Post by fsflover »

reorder9695 wrote: post #5
jgbuddy wrote: post #4

Thus is probably more about the EU having access to eu data than not having the US have access to EU data. Also it’s not like it’s impossible to encrypt things when you store them? This article is more political than logical or technical, it’s unfortunate that government control / intervention in the free market to this degree can be spun into something positive.

I wonder if someone could make a foss frontend for Google Drive/Dropbox/ that transparently encrypts files on your device before uploading them, that would certainly make me worry less about those services.

How about the metadata?

Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Post by tonfa »

jgbuddy wrote: post #4

Thus is probably more about the EU having access to eu data than not having the US have access to EU data. Also it’s not like it’s impossible to encrypt things when you store them? This article is more political than logical or technical, it’s unfortunate that government control / intervention in the free market to this degree can be spun into something positive.

> Thus is probably more about the EU having access to eu data than not having the US have access to EU data

It's more about not being subjected to the whims of the US. High dependency on US vendors means high leverage for the US administration (export control, sanction, etc.).

Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Post by KaiserPro »

KaiserPro wrote: post #11
jgbuddy wrote: post #4

Thus is probably more about the EU having access to eu data than not having the US have access to EU data. Also it’s not like it’s impossible to encrypt things when you store them? This article is more political than logical or technical, it’s unfortunate that government control / intervention in the free market to this degree can be spun into something positive.

Its past political. I work in energy now, and we host stuff in AWS. So far so normal. However, with the tubthumping about invading greenland, We see that america is willing to evaporate any system that gets in the way of the sun king's world view. Sure, he says now that "we were never going to invade" but given the way you've all just given up your 1st, 4th, 10th and now 2nd amendment, we're not really that sure. Thi…

Also to your point: "can't we just encrypt it?"

Its someone else's computer. The TPM is controlled by someone else. You can't really process on a machine that has a compromised urandom/TPM

Also the bigger issue is having all your access revoked over night. Thats the bigger fear.

Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Post by willtemperley »

This poses a fundamental problem for many SaaS providers. How can you guarantee client data aren't sent across the pond when all the app state is held server-side?

The answer is obvious with native apps, where it's standard practice to provide server endpoint details, so client-verified data locality is simple.

I don't really know how this is practically possible in SaaS web apps.

Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Post by mytailorisrich »

jgbuddy wrote: post #4

Thus is probably more about the EU having access to eu data than not having the US have access to EU data. Also it’s not like it’s impossible to encrypt things when you store them? This article is more political than logical or technical, it’s unfortunate that government control / intervention in the free market to this degree can be spun into something positive.

IMHO, this is the EU using current events to push for more power and control for itself over member states in many areas, including new areas like defence. Apparently member states and people are fine with that or even driving it... Turkeys voting for Christmas comes to mind.

Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Post by iLoveOncall »

Europe will never have competitive offerings until they pay their employees the equivalent of what FAANGs pay.

If you work for GCP or AWS in Europe, you'll easily get twice as much income as if you do the exact same job for Hetzner or OVH.

You can't build equivalents to GCP and AWS without paying the same. I work for a FAANG right now in Europe and I wouldn't consider even a single second any European cloud provider as potential employers.

Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Post by nubinetwork »

adrianN wrote: post #2

I kind of share the opinion of the FSF Europe that it is less important where software comes from compared to whether it’s libre, but for cloud hardware I really hope that we manage to create competitive European offerings. Maybe we’re lucky and this European initiative will produce more than five Fraunhofer institutes and a gift to SAP.

I thought I heard that hetzner was pretty cheap, haven't looked myself though...

Re: Euro firms must ditch Uncle Sam's clouds and go EU-native

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Post by tariky »

andersa wrote: post #7

This will happen automatically once an EU native cloud exists with comparable pricing. Get on it. No one will pay 10x to store data in Europe.

France cloud provider scalaway has great prices. In some services they are cheaper then AWS. So I think that devs just need to research a bit more.

Also Hetzner (germany) is super cheap when compared with US hosting providers.

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