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Re: Self Driving Car Insurance

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For the vast majority of people who own a car, continuing to own the car will remain the better deal. Most people need their car during "rush hour", so there isn't any savings from sharing, and worse some people have "high standards" and so will demand the rental be a clean car nicer than you would accept - thus raising the costs (particularly if you drive used cars) Any remaining argument for a shared car dies when…

> sometimes they don't have one when you arrive. Or, if they are Hertz, they might have one but refuse to give it to you. This happened to my wife. In spite of payment already being made to Hertz corporate online, the local agent wouldn't give up a car for a one-way rental. Hertz corporate was less than useless, telling us their system said was a car available, and suggesting we pay them hundreds of dollars again and…

Hertz this time, but things like that have happened with every rental company I know of.

Re: Self Driving Car Insurance

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Hmmm. The source for the "FSD is safer" claim might not be wholly independent: "Tesla’s data shows that Full Self-Driving miles are twice as safe as manual driving"

I would be surprised if that was what they were actually looking at. They are an established insurance company with their own data and the actuaries to analyze it. I can't imagine them doing this without at least validating a substantial drop in claims relating to FSD capable cars. Now that they are offering this program, they should start getting much better data by being able to correlate claims with actual FSD usa…

> They might be viewing this program partially as a data acquisition project to help them insure autonomous vehicles more broadly in the future

What do you mean?

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Bummer.. its super fun to floor them off the line.

This (instant torque) is exciting for about the first week of electric car ownership, it gets old very fast. I have far more fun driving my much slower gas-engined cars.

MT gas cars are very fun to drive!

Re: Self Driving Car Insurance

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It seems the answer is yes. From their web site: > Fair prices, based on how you drive [...] Get a discount, and earn a lower premium as you drive better.

Bummer.. its super fun to floor them off the line.

Someone with a Plaid will need to test this out to see how high they can make their Lemonade premium.

Re: Self Driving Car Insurance

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99/month is more than I have been willing to pay for FSD, but if it lowers my insurance by 200/month, I could be convinced.

Lowering by $200? Full coverage on two recent model cars here and that's nearly three quarters of my monthly insurance bill. Insane what people are paying for insurance these days.

Re: Self Driving Car Insurance

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The whole point of self-driving cars (to me) is I don't have to own or insure it, someone else deals with that and I just make it show up with my phone when I need it.

I think part of the issue in California at least is that you must have insurance. You gonna get a giant fine if you don't.

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No it does not. A 50% discount and the insurance still having industry average profit, or at least being profitable at all, would tell you that. Selling at a loss does not indicate your costs are actually lower. You need to wait until we learn if it is actually at a loss.

Sir, your bias is extreme. https://news.ycombinator.com/submitted?id=Veserv

Ah yes, posting well documented video evidence of reality is bias. How silly of me. The only unbiased take is to ignore my lying eyes and make logically unsound arguments in favor of endangering the public. That is what unbiased people do.

I also like how you completely avoided addressing my argument in favor of a attempted ad hominem.

Re: Self Driving Car Insurance

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If it autonomous or self-driving then why is the person in the car paying for the insurance? Surely if it's Tesla making the decisions, they need the insurance?

It isn't fully autonomous yet. For any future system sold as level 5 (or level 4?), I agree with your contention -- the manufacturer of the level 5 autonomous system is the one who bears primary liability and therefore should insure. "FSD" isn't even level 3. (Though, there is still an element of owner/operator maintenance for level 4/5 vehicles -- e.g., if the owner fails to replace tires below 4/32", continues to o…

Wouldn't that requirement completely kill any chance of a L5 system being profitable? If company X is making tons of self-driving cars, and now has to pay insurance for every single one, that's a mountain of cash. They'd go broke immediately.

I realize it would suck to be blamed for something the car did when you weren't driving it, but I'm not sure how else it could be financially feasible.

Re: Self Driving Car Insurance

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It was not workable. They have a loss ratio of >100% [1], as in they paid out more in claims than received in premiums before even accounting for literally any other costs. Industry average is ~60-80% to stay profitable when including other costs. They released the Tesla Insurance product because their cars were excessively expensive to insure, increasing ownership costs, which was impacting sales. By releasing the u…

Who was paying for this?

You as the consumer when you buy a tesla car that's twice the price of what you can get it for in Asia. Teslas are very cheap to produce.

Remember with their own insurance they also have access to the parts at cost.

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