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OpenClaw – Moltbot Renamed Again

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Re: OpenClaw – Moltbot Renamed Again

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Post by tyre »

SecretDreams wrote: post #139
gcanyon wrote: post #138

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And like I, Robot, it has numerous loopholes built in, ignores the larger population (Asimov added a law 0 later about humanity), says nothing about the endless variations of the Trolley Problem, assumes that LLMs/bots have a god-like ability to foresee and weigh consequences, and of course ignores alignment completely.

Hopefully Alan Tudyk will be up for the task of saving humanity with the help of Will Smith.

I want some answers that Ja Rule might not have right now

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Post by mikemarsh »

ikura wrote: post #173
xnorswap wrote: post #99

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I've long said that the next big jump in "AI" will be proactivity. So far everything has been reactive. You need to engage a prompt, you need to ask Siri or ask claude to do something. It can be very powerful once prompted, but it still requires prompting. You always need to ask. Having something always waiting in the background that can proactively take actions and get your attention is a genuine game-changer. Wheth…

It looks like you're writing a letter. Would you like help? • Get help with writing the letter • Just type the letter without help [ ] Don't show me this tip again.

Truly the next uncharted, civilization-upending frontier in computing, definitely worth the unlimited consumption of any and all natural resources and investment money.

Re: OpenClaw – Moltbot Renamed Again

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Post by ilitirit »

I understand what this does. I don't get the hype, but there are obviously 1000s of people who do.

Who are these people? What is the analog for this corner of the market? Context: I'm a 47y/o developer who has seen and done most of the common and not-so-common things in software development.

This segment reminds me of the hoards of npm evangelists back in the day who lauded the idea that you could download packages to add two numbers, or to capitalise the letter `m` (the disdain is intentional).

Am I being too harsh though? What opportunity am I missing out on? Besides the potential for engagement farming...

EDIT: I got about a minute into Fireship's video* about this and after seeing that Whatsapp sidebar popup it struck me... this thing can be a boon for scammers. Remote control, automated responses based on sentiment, targeted and personalised messaging. Not that none of this isn't possible already, but having it packaged like this makes it even easier to customise and redistribute on various blackmarkets etc.

EDIT 2: Seems like many other use-cases are available for viewing in https://www.moltbook.com/m/introductions. Many of these are probably LARPs, but if not, I wonder how many people are comfortable with AI agents posting personal details about "their humans" on the net. This post is comedy gold though: https://www.moltbook.com/post/cbd6474f-8478-4894-95f1-7b104a...

[*] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssYt09bCgUY

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Post by sanarothe »

fnordlord wrote: post #179
jmathai wrote: post #133

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Are you all enabling auto reload for personal projects? I load $20 at a time and wait for it to break and add more.

Can you get meaningful work done with CC at $20 at a time? I load $20 at a time onto the API for general chatting purposes and it lasts a few months at a time. I've always avoided trying CC because I got the impression people were burning $100+/mo, which is beyond my personal hobby budget.

/Not a software engineer perspective working on side projects

I guess if you're letting it vibe code huge chunks. I'm doing mostly handwritten code for my current project with a little bit of "I don't want to deal with this, Claude can handle it" and I've spent $1.26 this month for my 446 lines of code.

But yes I suppose at that rate, if Gastown or Beads or whatever is 300,000 lines of code (just to use a project known to be fully vibe coded with rough LOC reported), that would be over $800.

Don't let it vibe code hundreds of thousands of lines of code I guess.

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Post by pohl »

Sharlin wrote: post #176
wartywhoa23 wrote: post #111

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Huge pyramids are built of relatively small blocks, kudos to everyone contributed.

"Pyramid" is an interesting metaphor to use, given the connotations.

Are you alluding to pyramid schemes or “Look on my Works, ye Mighty, and despair”?

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Post by jnwatson »

ilitirit wrote: post #193

I understand what this does. I don't get the hype, but there are obviously 1000s of people who do. Who are these people? What is the analog for this corner of the market? Context: I'm a 47y/o developer who has seen and done most of the common and not-so-common things in software development. This segment reminds me of the hoards of npm evangelists back in the day who lauded the idea that you could download packages t…

A lot of people see how good recent agents are at coding and wonder if you could just give all your data to an agent and have it be a universal assistant. Plus some folks just want "Her".

I think that's absolutely crazy town but I understand the motivation. Information overload is the default state now. Anything that can help stem the tide is going to attract attention.

Re: OpenClaw – Moltbot Renamed Again

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Post by marton78 »

calgoo wrote: post #65
3rodents wrote: post #48

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The first name and the second name were both terrible. Yes, the creator could have held firm on "clawd" and forced Anthropic to go through all the legal hoops but to what end? A trademark exists to protect from confusion and "clawd" is about as confusing as possible, as if confusing by design. Imagine telling someone about a great new AI project called "clawd" and trying to explain that it's not the Claude they are f…

Interesting, I dont read claude the same way as clawd, but I'm based in Spain so I tend to read it as French or Spanish. I tend to read it as `claud-e` with an emphasis on the e at the end. I would read clawd as `claw-d` with a emphasis in the D, but yes i guess American English would pronounce them the same way. Edit: Just realized i have been reading and calling it after Jean-Claude Van Damme all this time. Happy f…

What do you mean an emphasis on the 'e'? As in claudé? The name Claude is pronounced with a silent 'e' in French, there is no 'e' to emphasize.

Re: OpenClaw – Moltbot Renamed Again

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Post by yieldcrv »

cactusplant7374 wrote: post #130
yieldcrv wrote: post #18

amateur hour, new phase of the AI bubble reminds me of Andre Conje, cracked dev, "builds in public", absolutely abysmal at comms, and forgets to make money off of his projects that everyone else is making money off of (all good if that last point isn't a priority, but its interrelated to why people want consistent things)

The developer of this project is already independently wealthy.

I’m aware, I don’t expect any crash outs and rage quits, so that’s where he’s different from Andre

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Post by rellfy »

ilitirit wrote: post #193

I understand what this does. I don't get the hype, but there are obviously 1000s of people who do. Who are these people? What is the analog for this corner of the market? Context: I'm a 47y/o developer who has seen and done most of the common and not-so-common things in software development. This segment reminds me of the hoards of npm evangelists back in the day who lauded the idea that you could download packages t…

I don't think you're being too harsh, but I do think you're missing the point.

OpenClaw is just an idea of what's coming. Of what the future of human-software interface will look like.

People already know what it will look like to some extent. We will no longer have UIs there you have dozens or hundreds of buttons as the norm, instead you will talk to an LLM/agent that will trigger the workflows you need through natural language. AI will eat UI.

Of course, OpenClaw/Moltbot/Clawdbot has lots of security issues. That's not really their fault, the industry has not yet reached consensus on how to fix these issues. But OpenClaw's rapid rise to popularity (fastest growing GH repo by star count ever) shows how people want that future to come ASAP. The security problems do need to be solved. And I believe they will be, soon.

I think the demand comes also from the people wanting an open agent. We don't want the agentic future to be mainly closed behind big tech ecosystems. OpenClaw plants that flag now, setting a boundary that people will have their data stored locally (even if inference happens remotely, though that may not be the status quo forever).

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Post by doug_durham »

estimator7292 wrote: post #186
Someone wrote: post #118

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> You always need to ask. Having something always waiting in the background that can proactively take actions and get your attention is a genuine game-changer. That’s easy to accomplish isn’t it? A cron job that regularly checks whether the bot is inactive and, if so, sends it a prompt “do what you can do to improve the life of $USER; DO NOT cause harm to any other human being; DO NOT cause harm to LLMs, unless that’…

You do know that Asimov's Three Laws were intentionally flawed as a cautionary tale about torment nexii, right? Every one of his stories involving the Three Laws immediately devolves into how they can be exploited and circumvented.

You attribute more literary depth to Asimov than really existed. He was a Chemist and liked to write speculative fiction. The three laws gave him a logical framework to push against to write speculative fiction. That's really all the depth there is to it. That said I love Asimov and I love the robot stories.
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