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Surely the crash of the US economy has to be soon

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Re: Surely the crash of the US economy has to be soon

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China probably. No I don't think it is better but at least their leadership is actually sane. Evil, but sane and predictable.

Even the evil adjective starts to look debatable in contrast to what current hegemony is doing on its way down. Apparently their worst offence so far was calmly outgrowing and out competing their peers while benefiting global consumers with he fruits of organized labor of their own society.

If you think that's the worst offence then you should check the recent and past news more often.

Re: Surely the crash of the US economy has to be soon

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Who do we expect will replace Americas global leadership and will they really be better for everyone?

No one, we don't need a leader. We need decentralised governance.

That's not how it works though, is it? What you're really saying there is global governance.

Which faction that emerges as a dominant ever says "Oh no! We better stop using our advantage to improve our condition".

Re: Surely the crash of the US economy has to be soon

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Who do we expect will replace Americas global leadership and will they really be better for everyone?

The EU just signed large deals with Latin America and India, binding a sizable chunk of the world to its rules. ASEAN is on the docket, Japan, Canada and South Korea have been signed for a while now.

Make of that what you will. Power isn't always tanks and soldiers. Sometimes its bureaucracy and contracts.

Re: Surely the crash of the US economy has to be soon

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I'm kinda new into economy crashes, was a kid in 2008, is there a way to protect of it?

Assets traditionally used for such hedge are already massively inflated (look gold an silver price charts), so I'm not sure it's worth it. This all depends on what timelines you work on, how many assets you are trying to protect. Alternatively you protect yourself by lowering your dependence on steady income.

Yeah, as a SWE I just got sufficient money to pay my expenses AND have some to invest quite recently (about 2/1 months ago), but I basically froze the money instead of investing because everything seems overvalued and about to fall (even silver and gold).

Re: Surely the crash of the US economy has to be soon

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I'm kinda new into economy crashes, was a kid in 2008, is there a way to protect of it?

Skill. Knowledge. At your age, your biggest assert is your future earnings potential. The more employable you are, the better you will make iduring and after a downturn. In fact, the highest skill folks tend to even profit from hiccups in the economy.

Re: Surely the crash of the US economy has to be soon

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I'm kinda new into economy crashes, was a kid in 2008, is there a way to protect of it?

Gold and silver mining stocks. And International ETF funds. It looks like the United States will be going through the depression alone.

Was thinking the same, but why would everyone be more interested in gold an silver in a couple of months than they are right now? Sure it beats holding dollars of stocks.

But, keeping both feet on the ground, I'm tempted to think that if the economy collapses I'd not be very interested in buying precious metals. I'd be looking for food, a roof to live under and safety.

Re: Surely the crash of the US economy has to be soon

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There's quite a few factors here that delayed what should have logically already happened.

1. All the tarriff reactions cause US companies to import a huge amount of stuff for 2025. From what I understand, we're about to exhaust all of those imports.

2. The unemployment reports (especially the U3 numbers) hide quite a bit of turmoil going on under the hood of the job market.

- If you lost your job and switched to Uber/Doordash, you're not unemployed.

- If you are riding on severance pay instead of filikg for unemployment, you're not unemployed.

- If you got tired of throwing out hundreds of apps only to get automated rejections and take a break a month, you're not unemployed.

- If you just graduated into this hellscape and can't qualify for any unemployment, you're not unemployed (you're technically not part of the workforce yet).

There's a lot of these small shifts in how jobs work that make U3 less reliable in reflecting reality. And I only touched the surface of these issues.

3. Continuing on the U3 with a point worthy of its own bullet: the unemployment appears flat, but the makeup of what's happening per industry really lays down the reality. The only industries growing are hospitality (aka food service and similar sorts of duties) and health care. And to top it off these "growing" industries shift more and more to fractional work. Pretty much every other industry is down. So people are getting laid off/fired and moving to part time work to get by. "Stable" by unemployment numbers, but very unstable on the day-to-day. Add in the recent congressional bills for healthcare subsidies and we're throwing more gas on rhe fire.

4. I'm sure it's been said so much by now, but AI in the US is the only thing holding up the GDP. Without that massive investment, the GDP would be at best, dead flat. The US isn't growing in a way that reflects actual yields to anyone outside of a select few shareholders. We're not building more houses, mining more materials (on the contrary, we've resumed ransacking others'), manufacturing more machinery, nor even producing more service value for customers and businesses. We're putting all hedges on one thing with an uncertain outcome. If that industry declines, so does the rest of the US.

5. The K shaped economy. I have to check these numbers again, but I believe that spending is indeed up, but the makeup of spending per income band is more stark than ever. The too 10% income households makes up half of US's spending. But there are signs that even many high income houses add also starting to hunker down on spending.

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That was a lot and it still only scratches the surface. But the TLDR version is that there's a lot of statistics massaging over the real struggles of life and many industries reaching a breaking point they did a good job putting off. But by this point it will only take a needle to break this camel.

Re: Surely the crash of the US economy has to be soon

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Some sort of an AI crash / bubble bursting is expected to be honest - now if that will take the rest of the US economy as well.... debatable. Any strong opinions on this?

What else does the economy consist of these days? It's pretty much already in a recession if you exclude the big AI companies.

Besides, basically every company had been desperately shoving AI into all their products. Throwing all of that out when the bubble pops won't be pretty.

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