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Re: Grid: Free, local-first, browser-based 3D printing/CNC/laser slicer

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Post by observationist »

mikestorrent wrote: post #15
reactordev wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://youtu.be/kS-9ISzMhBM They’re trying to introduce legislation that would require 3D printers to be online so that if you try to print a firearm, it won’t let you… Granted, today, you can print offline. Tomorrow? A firmware update might just brick it the next time it goes online or won’t be able to read the grbl

How would it know what is a firearm and what isn't? Seems trivial to defeat for someone who knows CAD, no?

They'll just run it through BigBrotherGPT, a CAD aware multimodal censorship bot specially trained to recognize Bad Things that must not be printed. And while this is sarcastic, it also occurs to me that it's also really, really achievable. OpenAI could probably whip one up in a weekend office hackathon.

Re: Grid: Free, local-first, browser-based 3D printing/CNC/laser slicer

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Post by Gigachad »

reactordev wrote: post #18
mikestorrent wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How would it know what is a firearm and what isn't? Seems trivial to defeat for someone who knows CAD, no?

That’s the tricky part of this whole mess. Online servers would have to mesh and volume your model and determine if it matches a likeness of any known models. So much for printing NERF. I don’t think this will pass as is but it shows you where lawmakers heads are. They would rather brick your capability than do actual policing.

What gets me is this doesn’t even seem to be the most effective way to regulate this. 3D printed guns require a lot of non 3D printed gun parts. You can’t 3D print bullets for example.

The is really just a US specific issue where 90% what you need for a gun can be purchased easily, but the non functional handle requires registration, etc.

They could just make buying gun parts as strict as buying a whole gun

Re: Grid: Free, local-first, browser-based 3D printing/CNC/laser slicer

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Post by s0a »

cyrusradfar wrote: post #12
SethTro wrote: post #5

I've used kiri:moto for several simple CNC projects! This probably won't scroll to the correct place on the page but there's some images of my project at https://hcc.haus/propmania/#2024-palm-torches and https://static.cloudygo.com/static/Prop%20Making/2024%20Palm... I used it instead of the terrible closed source Easel App for a CARVEY hobby CNC. For metal milling I find Fusion 360 is necessary.

Curious if you can elaborate on what's missing or failing, to require Fusion 360?

probably adaptive milling, which will be in an upcoming release. sharp path changes in harder metals can wear or break tools if you don't go slow, which has other issues.

Re: Grid: Free, local-first, browser-based 3D printing/CNC/laser slicer

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Post by pests »

WJW wrote: post #9

Am I weird in not being too surprised? It don't have experience with wire EDM but every toolpath generator or slicer I've ever used was just local software.

Bambu Labs ~recently had some drama around requiring an account / harvesting data for their machines. Might be what that's about.

Re: Grid: Free, local-first, browser-based 3D printing/CNC/laser slicer

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Post by xcf_seetan »

reactordev wrote: post #16
dheera wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bleh, just wire into the steppers and extruder directly, not that hard. To be clear I have no desire to print firearms but I do not want my tools online and getting bricked when the company who made it goes out of business.

Right to repair. Right to use. I don’t think a company should have a say in what you do with their product after you have purchased it. Whether you intend to print firearms or not. The acts of the few should not withhold liberty of the many.

I would add right to build. I have built my 3D printers and i control the firmware. No need to go online.

Re: Grid: Free, local-first, browser-based 3D printing/CNC/laser slicer

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Post by abdullahkhalids »

OT: Why is that Alphabet, Mozilla, Apple, etc can get together to create web standards that allow anyone to create software that works cross-platform - only a browser is needed, but Microsoft, Alphabet, Apple, Canonical, etc can't get together to create standards that allow anyone to create software that works cross-platform?

Re: Grid: Free, local-first, browser-based 3D printing/CNC/laser slicer

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Post by chungy »

abdullahkhalids wrote: post #26

OT: Why is that Alphabet, Mozilla, Apple, etc can get together to create web standards that allow anyone to create software that works cross-platform - only a browser is needed, but Microsoft, Alphabet, Apple, Canonical, etc can't get together to create standards that allow anyone to create software that works cross-platform?

Given you have two of the same names on both sides of the list, it looks like your question is self-contradictory. Could you clarify?

Re: Grid: Free, local-first, browser-based 3D printing/CNC/laser slicer

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Post by bsimpson »

s0a wrote: post #10
bsimpson wrote: post #6

More open source, browser-accessible tools is a good thing. That said, aren't Prusa/Orca/etc. all already open-source (and part of the same lineage)?

no shared lineage. Cura and Kiri started around the same time (2011/2012), but as completely separate projects. Cura is a C++ desktop app and Kiri has always been 100% browser-based (no cloud, all computation in the browser sandbox). the licenses are different, too. Cura/Prusa/Orca are GPL based and Kiri is MIT.

I'm not talking about Kiri; I'm talking about the mainstream derivatives of Slic3r.

Re: Grid: Free, local-first, browser-based 3D printing/CNC/laser slicer

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Post by cyrusradfar »

abdullahkhalids wrote: post #26

OT: Why is that Alphabet, Mozilla, Apple, etc can get together to create web standards that allow anyone to create software that works cross-platform - only a browser is needed, but Microsoft, Alphabet, Apple, Canonical, etc can't get together to create standards that allow anyone to create software that works cross-platform?

Ah, I'm always up for a tangent.

The boring answer from Capt. Obvious. Incentive alignment.

That said, WebAssembly might be the trojan horse. While it started as a browser compile target, WebAssembly System Interface (WASI) is extending it beyond browsers into filesystem, networking, etc. etc. etc.

Fingers crossed, we may get cross-platform standards by accident.

Re: Grid: Free, local-first, browser-based 3D printing/CNC/laser slicer

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Post by [deleted] »

observationist wrote: post #21
mikestorrent wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How would it know what is a firearm and what isn't? Seems trivial to defeat for someone who knows CAD, no?

They'll just run it through BigBrotherGPT, a CAD aware multimodal censorship bot specially trained to recognize Bad Things that must not be printed. And while this is sarcastic, it also occurs to me that it's also really, really achievable. OpenAI could probably whip one up in a weekend office hackathon.

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