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EBay 'pays £1.2m in UK tax' on sales of £800m

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Re: EBay 'pays £1.2m in UK tax' on sales of £800m

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Who pays corporation taxes on sales? I thought that's what VAT was for. Isn't corporation tax based on profit? If the cost of goods sold and expenses were £795m, then £1.2m on £5m in profit would seem pretty reasonable.

Assuming their profit margin in the UK is comparable to their profit margin elsewhere, they would have had about £180m profit in the UK.

Re: EBay 'pays £1.2m in UK tax' on sales of £800m

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Vodafone, Starbucks, Google, Amazon, eBay.. As a person with a few companies in the UK that pay tax, it seems that the big companies can get away with whatever, where as last week I had someone from HRMC actually turn up at my house demanding payment because there had been a mixup with a £4k PAYE payment.. It beggers belief

Your companies probably aren't international, so don't get to enjoy a double Irish with a Dutch sandwich: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/04/28/business/Doubl...

Re: EBay 'pays £1.2m in UK tax' on sales of £800m

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From the article: > According to the Sunday Times, eBay had sales of £789m during 2010 in the UK at its four British subsidiaries. Using its worldwide profit margin of 23%, it would have made a profit in the UK of £181m, leading to corporation tax owed of £51m. That's making a pretty big assumption, that Ebay's UK profit margin is the same as its worldwide profit margin.

Why? I doubt it's an order of magnitude out.

Re: EBay 'pays £1.2m in UK tax' on sales of £800m

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I don't understand why British news outlets have started to try and "shame" certain corporations over their tax returns. The practice has been known and used for many years, yet it's suddenly deemed newsworthy. I'm really surprised the BBC felt the need to report on this.

I'm of the opinion this is always newsworthy. Its completely outrageous how huge multinationals earning hundred of millions in profit can get away with paying less tax than mom and pop businesses. I don't see how "the practice has been known and used for many years" means that that means its case closed. Maybe there is a minority of people who want to discuss whether this makes sense in the current context and in the constantly changing fabric of business ethics. If this is not interesting to you, then fine, ignore it. But please be assured that some people do find it interesting.

Re: EBay 'pays £1.2m in UK tax' on sales of £800m

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Why can't they change the tax law to tax these companies? I know it would be difficult, but it can't be impossible. These companies will always want to operate here.

Because that will probably impact certain politicians and other "important" stake holders who benefit from these tax laws as well.

In my opinion, every democratic country should make the following change to their laws: Politicians cannot own, or have a stake in, any commercial enterprise. Needs to be a bit refined but you get the idea.

Re: EBay 'pays £1.2m in UK tax' on sales of £800m

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This reminds me of the 'bottom of the harbour' tax scheme from the 70's in Australia (though that was properly criminal).

Something I liked about how they dealt with it was they changed the law retrospectively meaning companies/individuals had to pay back tax they had avoided from previous years. I would love to see this done more where there is blatant tax avoidance.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bottom_of_the_harbour_tax_avoid...

Re: EBay 'pays £1.2m in UK tax' on sales of £800m

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Sigh, another story of "outrage" about how a company is legitimately avoiding taxation.

Guess what, if you are an international company you can take advantage of the rules that the local politicians put in place.

I ask people though what do they really want? Do they want Ebay to pay 45% in tax to the UK so 350M pounds of tax revenue from Ebay? Then the next complaint will be "Gee nobody does business in our country!" and you have to take the train over to France or something to buy stuff from Ebay.

So the actual choices are "access to ebay" or "no access to ebay" which do you want?

Re: EBay 'pays £1.2m in UK tax' on sales of £800m

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Sigh, another story of "outrage" about how a company is legitimately avoiding taxation. Guess what, if you are an international company you can take advantage of the rules that the local politicians put in place. I ask people though what do they really want? Do they want Ebay to pay 45% in tax to the UK so 350M pounds of tax revenue from Ebay? Then the next complaint will be "Gee nobody does business in our country!"…

Oh. Right. I guess we're "punishing success" (or some other horseshit terms) by expecting companies to pay their fair share in taxes. And even though corporate tax laws are written in large part by these very same companies, I'm sure we should regard them as completely legitimate, as well.

What an absurd argument.

Re: EBay 'pays £1.2m in UK tax' on sales of £800m

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Corporations, small businesses and even people will rationally pay only the minimum tax that they can get away with under the law. The law favours big international corporations so this is what you get. If you find this inequitable then laws need to be changed. On the other hand big corporations as well as wealthy people usually have more leverage in terms of being able to move and operate or reside in more tax-friendly or hospitable regimes.
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