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Re: Show HN: LemonSlice – Upgrade your voice agents to real-time video

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Post by lcolucci »

jamesdelaneyie wrote: post #120
andrew-w wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not something we had thought to do tbh, but would definitely enhance the experience. And, should be reasonable to do. Thanks!

I didn't know /imagine could be followed by a prompt, but similarly I asked the avatar about it's appearance and stated it had none. Should probably give it the context of what it's appearance is like, same thing happened for questions like where are you? What are you holding? Who's that behind you? etc etc

This is so obvious now that you say it (* facepalm *). We definitely need to give the LLM context on the appearance (both from the initial image as well as any /imagine updates during the call). Thanks for pointing it out!

Re: Show HN: LemonSlice – Upgrade your voice agents to real-time video

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Post by nashashmi »

anigbrowl wrote: post #100

Absolutely Do Not Want. EDIT: Tell us what characters you want to see in the comments and we can make them for you to talk to (e.g. Max Headroom) Sure, that kind of thing is great fun. But photorealistic avatars are gonna be abused to hell and back and everyone knows it. I would rather talk to a robot that looks like a robot, ie C-3PO. I would even chat with scary skeleton terminator. I do not want to talk with convi…

> this is a Bad Thing.

"Your hackers were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn't stop to think if they should."

Re: Show HN: LemonSlice – Upgrade your voice agents to real-time video

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Post by andrew-w »

dsrtslnd23 wrote: post #122

where can I find the 20B model? it sounded like it would be open - but I am not sure with the phrasing...

We have not released the weights, but it is fully available to use in your websites or applications. I can see how our wording there could be misconstrued -- sorry about that.

Re: Show HN: LemonSlice – Upgrade your voice agents to real-time video

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Post by anigbrowl »

echelon wrote: post #105
anigbrowl wrote: post #100

Absolutely Do Not Want. EDIT: Tell us what characters you want to see in the comments and we can make them for you to talk to (e.g. Max Headroom) Sure, that kind of thing is great fun. But photorealistic avatars are gonna be abused to hell and back and everyone knows it. I would rather talk to a robot that looks like a robot, ie C-3PO. I would even chat with scary skeleton terminator. I do not want to talk with convi…

The dichotomy of AI haters and AI dreamers is wild. OP, I think this is the coolest thing ever. Keep going. Naysayers have some points, but nearly every major disruptive technology has had downsides that have been abused. (Cars can be used for armed robbery. Steak knives can be used to murder people. Computers can be used for hacking.) The upsides of tech typically far outweigh the downsides. If a tech is all downsid…

I am not an AI hater, I use it every day. I made specific criticisms of why I think photorealistic realtime AI avatars are a problem; you've posted truisms. Please tell me what benefits you expect to reap from this.

Re: Show HN: LemonSlice – Upgrade your voice agents to real-time video

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Post by zestyping »

echelon wrote: post #105
anigbrowl wrote: post #100

Absolutely Do Not Want. EDIT: Tell us what characters you want to see in the comments and we can make them for you to talk to (e.g. Max Headroom) Sure, that kind of thing is great fun. But photorealistic avatars are gonna be abused to hell and back and everyone knows it. I would rather talk to a robot that looks like a robot, ie C-3PO. I would even chat with scary skeleton terminator. I do not want to talk with convi…

The dichotomy of AI haters and AI dreamers is wild. OP, I think this is the coolest thing ever. Keep going. Naysayers have some points, but nearly every major disruptive technology has had downsides that have been abused. (Cars can be used for armed robbery. Steak knives can be used to murder people. Computers can be used for hacking.) The upsides of tech typically far outweigh the downsides. If a tech is all downsid…

The primary purpose of generating real-time video of realistic-looking talking people is deception. The explicit goal is to make people believe that they're talking to a real person when they aren't.

It's on you to identify the "immense" benefits that outweigh that explicit goal. What are they?

Re: Show HN: LemonSlice – Upgrade your voice agents to real-time video

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Post by zestyping »

When you generate real-time video of realistic-looking talking characters, the definition of success is fooling people into believing they are talking to a real person when they aren't.

If you pursue this, your explicit goal is deception, and it's a massively harmful kind of deception. I don't see how you can claim to be operating ethically here if that's your goal.

Re: Show HN: LemonSlice – Upgrade your voice agents to real-time video

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Post by lcolucci »

zestyping wrote: post #129

When you generate real-time video of realistic-looking talking characters, the definition of success is fooling people into believing they are talking to a real person when they aren't. If you pursue this, your explicit goal is deception, and it's a massively harmful kind of deception. I don't see how you can claim to be operating ethically here if that's your goal.

Do you think the same about text that is indistinguishable from human-written text (LLM chatbots)? Or voice that is indistinguishable from a human talking?

Illegal things, like fraud and impersonation, are illegal. There's a difference between the tool and the actions people do with the tool.

There are tons of useful applications of interactive avatars - from corporate training to kids education to language learning and more. Plus, why would you want to stop this little guy from existing in the world? :) https://lemonslice.com/try/alien

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