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Waymo robotaxi hits a child near an elementary school in Santa Monica

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Re: Waymo robotaxi hits a child near an elementary school in Santa Monica

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Your comment implies that they are less interested in kids not dying. Nowhere do they say that.

I'm not interested in the policy question.

Then don't reply??

That still doesn't excuse trying to make them look bad.

Re: Waymo robotaxi hits a child near an elementary school in Santa Monica

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> The vehicle remained stopped, moved to the side of the road How do you remain stopped but also move to the side of the road? Thats a contradiction. Just like Cruise.

My reading of that is that they mean stopped the progression of the journey rather that made no movement whatsoever.

I agree, it’s poorly worded but I think that’s what they mean.

I also assume a human took over (called the police, moved the car, etc) once it hit the kid.

Re: Waymo robotaxi hits a child near an elementary school in Santa Monica

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Possibly, but Waymos have recently been much more aggressive about blowing through situations where human drivers can (and generally do) slow down. As a motorcyclist, I've had some close calls with Waymos driving on the wrong side of the road recently, and I had a Waymo cut in front of my car at a one-way stop (t intersection) recently when it had been tangled up with a Rivian trying to turn into the narrow street it…

Absolutely, I can tell you right now that many human drivers are probably safer than the Waymo, because they would have slowed down even more and/or stayed further from the parked cars outside a school; they might have even seen the kid earlier in e.g. a reflection than the Waymo could see.

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Re: Waymo robotaxi hits a child near an elementary school in Santa Monica

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As every company should, when they have a success. Are they also as transparent about their failures?

Is this a success? There was still an incident. I'd argue this was them being transparent about a failure

They handled an unpredictable emergency situation better than any human driver.

Re: Waymo robotaxi hits a child near an elementary school in Santa Monica

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From the Waymo blog... > the pedestrian suddenly entered the roadway from behind a tall SUV, moving directly into our vehicle's path. Our technology immediately detected the individual as soon as they began to emerge from behind the stopped vehicle. The Waymo Driver braked hard, reducing speed from approximately 17 mph to under 6 mph before contact was made. > Following contact, the pedestrian stood up immediately, w…

Most humans in that situation won't have reaction speed to do shit about it and it could result in a severe injury or death.

How would standard automatic breaking (standard in some brands) have performed here?

Re: Waymo robotaxi hits a child near an elementary school in Santa Monica

#38

From the Waymo blog... > the pedestrian suddenly entered the roadway from behind a tall SUV, moving directly into our vehicle's path. Our technology immediately detected the individual as soon as they began to emerge from behind the stopped vehicle. The Waymo Driver braked hard, reducing speed from approximately 17 mph to under 6 mph before contact was made. > Following contact, the pedestrian stood up immediately, w…

I honestly think that Waymo's reaction was spot on. I drop off and pick up my kid from school every day. The parking lots can be a bit of a messy wild west. My biggest concern is the size of cars especially those huge SUV or pickup trucks that have big covers on the back. You can't see anything incoming unless you stick your head out.

Re: Waymo robotaxi hits a child near an elementary school in Santa Monica

#39

From the Waymo blog... > the pedestrian suddenly entered the roadway from behind a tall SUV, moving directly into our vehicle's path. Our technology immediately detected the individual as soon as they began to emerge from behind the stopped vehicle. The Waymo Driver braked hard, reducing speed from approximately 17 mph to under 6 mph before contact was made. > Following contact, the pedestrian stood up immediately, w…

Yup. And to add > Waymo said in its blog post that its “peer-reviewed model” shows a “fully attentive human driver in this same situation would have made contact with the pedestrian at approximately 14 mph.” It's likely that a fully-attentive human driver would have done worse. With a distracted driver (a huge portion of human drivers) it could've been catastrophic.

I usually take extra care when going through a school zone, especially when I see some obstruction ('behind a tall SUV', was the waymo overtaking?), and overtaking is something I would probably never do (and should be banned in school zones by road signs).

This is a context that humans automatically have and consider. I'm sure Waymo engineers can mark spots on the map where the car needs to drive very conservatively.

Re: Waymo robotaxi hits a child near an elementary school in Santa Monica

#40

And before the argument "Self driving is acceptable so long as the accident/risk is lower than with human drivers" can I please get that out of the way: No it's not. Self driving needs to be orders of magnitude safer for us to acknowledge it. If they're merely as safe or slightly safer than humans we will never accept it. Becase humans have a "skin in the game". If you drive drunk, at least you're likely to be in the…

That’s an incentive to reduce risk, but if you empirically show that the AV is even 10x safer, why wouldn’t you chalk that up as a win?
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