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Vitamin D and Omega-3 have a larger effect on depression than antidepressants

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Re: Vitamin D and Omega-3 have a larger effect on depression than antidepressants

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These are always tricky, vitamin D deficiency and low fat diets clearly cause depressive symptoms.

Does that mean vitamin D treats depression in general?

When most people talk of depression they aren't even using talking about major depression.

We live in a world that in many ways is comfortable but crushing. Is that depression? Or just harmful levels of understandable unhappiness? Are they different?

Re: Vitamin D and Omega-3 have a larger effect on depression than antidepressants

#32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Only recently again I read in the newspaper, that most products are overdosed. There is a typical number that the vitamin D products usually show, and in the article it said, that only up to 800 IU is safe, and everything above is an overdose. There are many products out there with 2000 UI or maybe even more. Beware. EDIT: Wow, the HN-local doctors at it again. Imagine getting downvoted for sharing information from n…

Misinformation. Do more research.

If you have useful information to share, please do so. Telling people "Do more research" adds nothing to the conversation.

Re: Vitamin D and Omega-3 have a larger effect on depression than antidepressants

#34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Only recently again I read in the newspaper, that most products are overdosed. There is a typical number that the vitamin D products usually show, and in the article it said, that only up to 800 IU is safe, and everything above is an overdose. There are many products out there with 2000 UI or maybe even more. Beware. EDIT: Wow, the HN-local doctors at it again. Imagine getting downvoted for sharing information from n…

Misinformation. Do more research.

While (I think) I agree with you on the facts here, I don't think this type of dismissive comments are that useful either.

Can you give the replyee some pointers, for example? Link to articles or studies that show a different view?

Re: Vitamin D and Omega-3 have a larger effect on depression than antidepressants

#35
Be careful - many studies in the Vitamin D meta-analysis *enrolled patients already taking antidepressants.* [1] Reporting effect sizes without specifying "on which population?" is misleading.

(As an aside, Cohen would be the person not to tell you to assign qualitative values to effect sizes. They are as arbitrary as any other threshold used by working statisticians.)

[1] https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/psychological-medici...

EDIT – that is, please don't draw the conclusion that you can substitute supplements for antidepressants. The meta-analyses don't seem designed to examine that hypothesis, and I doubt anyone would ever participate in a such a trial. In general (and as a working biostatistician), I would be very, very, very cautious applying estimates of average effect to myself, you, or any other individual person in a field as murky as psychiatry. That's why even the stingiest American health insurance plans still have an incredibly large range of antidepressants in their formularies.

Re: Vitamin D and Omega-3 have a larger effect on depression than antidepressants

#36
post #14

Your body makes Vitamin D when in sunlight. Could it be that sunlight - and the whole being outdoors situation - is the thing that helps rather than vitamin d levels?

Sunlight alone don't help, it helps just because our body makes Vitamin D during the sunbathing process.

So sunbathing is one of many way of integrating Vitamin D in our body not THE way.

Re: Vitamin D and Omega-3 have a larger effect on depression than antidepressants

#37

And better than taking pills for the former, add hemp hearts or flax seeds to your cereal. One serving of hemp hearts has 10 grams of protein and 12 grams of Omegas 3 and 6. Flax seeds are lower in protein but an even better source of Omega 3 in particular.

I'm not an expert, but I've done a bunch of reading on this previously, and also skimmed the article which also mentions some parts of this.

First, when taking omega 3 supplements, you generally care about increasing the ratio of omega 3 to omega 6. Hemp hearts have much more omega 6 than omega 3, so they're not very effective for improving the ratio.

Second, hemp hearts contain ALA, while what you generally want to improve is EPA and DHA (this is also covered in TFA). The body can convert ALA to EPA and DHA, but it's not efficient.

So all in all, if Omega 3 for the article's stated benefits is what you want, this is not the way. I recommend looking into eating more fish, or if you want a vegan route, algae-based supplements. [0] is a decent source from the NIH about foods and their Omega 3 content, split by ALA/EPA/DHA.

[0]: https://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/Omega3FattyAcids-HealthPro...

Re: Vitamin D and Omega-3 have a larger effect on depression than antidepressants

#38
post #4

Please do not take 5000mg/day of Vitamin D. The author confuses IU and mg which is very dangerous.

It's unbelievable crazy what the author suggests, even say "10,000 IU if you're feeling daring / have darker skin / live in less sunny climates.".

Just a simple look at the side effects of high dosages:

Safety and side effects

Taken in typical doses, vitamin D is thought to be mainly safe.

But taking too much vitamin D in the form of supplements can be harmful and even deadly. Taking more than 4,000 IU a day of vitamin D might cause:

    Upset stomach and vomiting.
    Weight loss and not wanting to eat.
    Muscle weakness.
    Not being able to think clearly or quickly.
    Heart rhythm issues.
    Kidney stones and kidney damage.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/drugs-supplements-vitamin-d/art-2...

Re: Vitamin D and Omega-3 have a larger effect on depression than antidepressants

#39
post #10

Can I just add: In addition to this, if you struggle with anxiety or have some sort of ADHD, then try cutting out caffeine entirely . Not just switching to "decaf" (which isn't), but cutting out tea and coffee, and switching to an alternative like Barleycup. Doing this has had a massive positive effect for me, and combined with decent nutrition and daily exercise, has been wonderful.

I love coffee so much, I'd prefer to deal with the anxiety, and I do suffer from it.

You can also get decaf beans, or try to see if you can get used to tea. I do both right now and I feel a lot better
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