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Tesla ending Models S and X production

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Re: Tesla ending Models S and X production

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Post by FireBeyond »

avar wrote: post #47
malfist wrote: post #36

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Where exactly are those cheaper cars? Still waiting for a 30k model 3 like promised.

You already have it. Musk's earliest promise of a $30k price point appears to be an interview in September 2009: https://www.wbur.org/onpoint/2009/09/25/teslas-elon-musk-on-... Adjusted for inflation, $30k then is around $45k now. Tesla sells a Model 3 for just over $35k. It doesn't make any sense to hold someone to a promise like that and not adjust it for inflation. I think you can legitimately complain that he did…

Meanwhile folks are waiting (no, not really) for their $35K Cybertruck...

Re: Tesla ending Models S and X production

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Post by dylan604 »

gcr wrote: post #127
al_borland wrote: post #93

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That might be a little extreme. Tesla is making electric cars and robots. These are very much things of the future. GameStop is buying and selling used games, which is becoming impossible as consoles keep pushing for digital games. GameStop requires a major shift in their business model to stay relevant, while Tesla just needs to hope the public doesn’t reject the idea of electrics cars out of stubbornness or politic…

The current administration is “rejecting the idea of electric cars out of stubbornness or politics.” See: Trump moving to withhold funding for EV chargers, terminating EV mandates and government support, etc. I don’t know what Musk is thinking by supporting this administration so steadfastly as they work hard to undermine his own efforts and initiatives.

Musk got what he needed at the expense of losing some tax incentives for his customer base. He was able to shut down government investigations into him/his companies. That alone should have been worth quite a salary bump.

Re: Tesla ending Models S and X production

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Post by pianopatrick »

throwawaypath wrote: post #146
direwolf20 wrote: post #131

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Is there anything China isn't far ahead in? Maybe capitalism was a failure.

>Maybe capitalism was a failure. China is hyper-capitalist. They're living proof that capitalism has won.

China is a mixed economy with some capitalist parts and some socialist parts just like us. Their mix is just a bit more effective than our mix than our mix and they have higher scale.

Re: Tesla ending Models S and X production

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Post by driverdan »

aglavine wrote: post #145
insane_dreamer wrote: post #109

X sure, but the S? it was the best in the lineup why not kill the cybertruck instead?

Roadster will replace S

The same vaporware Roadster that was supposed to come out years ago and that Tesla has not shared any updates on?

Re: Tesla ending Models S and X production

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Post by xiphias2 »

throwawaypath wrote: post #146
direwolf20 wrote: post #131

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Is there anything China isn't far ahead in? Maybe capitalism was a failure.

>Maybe capitalism was a failure. China is hyper-capitalist. They're living proof that capitalism has won.

It's not like US is not capitalist in anything: it's still state-of-the-art in software, which preoves that the problem is not with capital markets.

It just probably overregulated hardware manufacturing out of existence with unionizing and other too strong regulations.

Re: Tesla ending Models S and X production

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Post by fortran77 »

NoPicklez wrote: post #5

Why is it seen initially so negatively? There's nothing inherently wrong with a company deciding to stop producing models that are extremely old, have newer comparable models that are more widely available globally and sell multiples more of. So why would you keep those older models? If anything its a good thing. But its Tesla so nothing they do will be spoken positively of.

But the 3 isn’t comparable. It’s cheap, looks cheap and feels cheap.

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Post by poink »

epicwynn wrote: post #120
phs318u wrote: post #116

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We can kill robots without remorse, and they're likely going to be worse than a human agent at most things for a few years. Not a bad timeline for them to waste their time on.

As insane as American politics is "I can blast robots on my property" has exactly the right amount of crank appeal to be possibly the final 90/10 issue

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Post by foxglacier »

harshaw wrote: post #15

I am confused about what Tesla is doing. They have effectively two automobile products now with one failed product (cybertruck). reading various articles about this doesn't make it more clear. Do they not want to be a car company?

About a decade ago, Musk said he wanted to kickstart the electric car industry, make electric cars cool by showing they can be high performance and promising not to enforce Tesla's patents against competitors. Remember how electric cars used to be perceived? The Simpsons put it as "people will think you're gay". I'd say he completely succeeded in that goal and the whole "make piles of money for investors" is just because investors decided to try doing that.

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Post by kenhwang »

MBCook wrote: post #123
nunez wrote: post #115

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Ford got a lot of heat for shifting all of their NA production to Mustangs and F-series trucks too a few years ago.

Ford didn’t say it was so they could make a robot butler instead.

The reason was sillier: China forced Ford to sell Mazda to enter the Chinese market, because Mazda entered the Chinese market before Ford and China considered them the same entity subject to the same outside manufacturer limits).

Mazda handled the small vehicle chassis design for Ford. So without Mazda, Ford no longer had the knowledge for continued development of their sedans and crossovers based on sedan platforms.

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