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Apple to soon take up to 30% cut from all Patreon creators in iOS app

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Re: Apple to soon take up to 30% cut from all Patreon creators in iOS app

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post #148

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Many banks require you to two-factor authenticate with an app on your phone.

I've yet to encounter one in the US, but I suppose that would make me install it.

Which banks do you use? I’m looking to switch away from Chase (which does this).

It’s a surprisingly hard thing to search for online…

Re: Apple to soon take up to 30% cut from all Patreon creators in iOS app

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post #148

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I've yet to encounter one in the US, but I suppose that would make me install it.

Which banks do you use? I’m looking to switch away from Chase (which does this). It’s a surprisingly hard thing to search for online…

Capital One now for a while and a local credit union. Amex does provide this as an option but supports SMS as well.

Re: Apple to soon take up to 30% cut from all Patreon creators in iOS app

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Epic didnt really win. If i recall correctly the ruling ended up being that 3rd party payment processors are allowed but 27% of app revenue is still owed to apple if that route is taken. So you can save 3% by using 3rd party payment processing but thats around how much those services cost anyway so no real saving

They tried that. The judge, correctly, went "uh the fuck you will". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epic_Games_v._Apple > While Apple implemented App Store policies to allow developers to link to alternative payment options, the policies still required the developer to provide a 27% revenue share back to Apple, and heavily restricted how they could be shown in apps. Epic filed complaints that these changes violated the…

That judge's ruling was essentially overturned last month on appeal.

> Even though Apple was no longer prohibiting linked-out purchases, the district court held that this new approach effectively prohibited linked-out purchases, and it violated the spirit of the injunction. The district court then enjoined Apple from imposing any commission or fee on linked-out purchases. However, the Ninth Circuit panel found that the complete ban was overbroad and punitive. Apple should be permitted to charge a commission based on costs that are genuinely and reasonably necessary for its coordination of external links and linked-out purchases, but not more.

"Genuinely and reasonably necessary", not being defined, will naturally be taken by Apple's malicious compliance department to mean "26%", I'm sure, and we'll get to enjoy a continued round of show trials in court with no meaningful effect for years to come.

Re: Apple to soon take up to 30% cut from all Patreon creators in iOS app

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post #132

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I may regret asking but what is your solution, then?

Use Android

That is the user's solution. Patreon (the company having trouble with Apple) is not in the position to get ~50% of it's users to use a different phone.

Apple should not be allowed to be in the middle of business and half the users of the world.

And yes, that is very much something that governments have regulated for decades. In fact it's basically why anti-trust was invented. Train companies and deals with Standard Oil meant together they controlled the market since if you didn't go through them you couldn't ship your product.

Re: Apple to soon take up to 30% cut from all Patreon creators in iOS app

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seems that 96% are already doing this:

> According to TechCrunch, only 4% of Patreon creators are still using the platform's legacy billing system, with the rest having already switched over.

I've never used the Patreon app even once -- those creators I support, I set it up on the website.

Re: Apple to soon take up to 30% cut from all Patreon creators in iOS app

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>I really don’t understand this attitude. It's not an attitude, it's an observation. Corporations almost never change their behaviors because of protests and people bitching about them. It's one of the least effective ways of implementing change, especially when said company holds a locked in/monopoly position. The thing is the end consumer is mostly hidden from the problems of Apples over charging, it deeply affects…

>Corporations almost never change their behaviors because of protests and people bitching about them. Yes, because protests almost never reach critical mass when talking on the scale of a billionaire conglomerate. The 3% rule is at effect here. if Apple made 200 billion last quarter (I don't know the exact numbers), we'd need at least 6 billion dollars worth of damage to make them listen, and make it clear it's becau…

My impression is that Apple as a corporation is really sensitive to their public image. I happen to believe that some corporations are actually highly sensitive to dollar losses but I also think what Apple worries about is a kind of downstream effects of brand image being lost.

I don't think that's all it would take but I kind of see Apple worrying that their products will start to be like fur in the 1980s or something... something that gradually fades and loses its brand value.

I guess in the end I sort of agree with the OP that boycotts can work and fretting about numbers initially leads to this kind of chicken and egg problem. If you try it it might work, if you try it repeatedly it's more likely to work, but if you never try it will never work.

Re: Apple to soon take up to 30% cut from all Patreon creators in iOS app

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I miss the old school monopolies, where MS was a bad guy because they dared to include browser. And yes, I do legalese details of that are much more complex. But it just makes no common sense.

Apple also includes a web browser on iOS, but forces every other browser you can install to use their browser engine. It's one of the many reasons they are being sued by the DOJ for anti-competitive practices. Apple also sits on a board that approves new web technologies for standards formalization, so they can squash adoption of anything that might make web browser APIs as capable as a native application, so that th…

Starts to make a lot of sense why Tim Cook is out there ruining his image for the sake of some favors.

Re: Apple to soon take up to 30% cut from all Patreon creators in iOS app

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I miss the old school monopolies, where MS was a bad guy because they dared to include browser. And yes, I do legalese details of that are much more complex. But it just makes no common sense.

Like try to break the internet and the java programming language? The former being most successful for years

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Re: Apple to soon take up to 30% cut from all Patreon creators in iOS app

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This means Apple is literally going to take nearly 3x in fees from Patreon's customers than Patreon is taking from their own customers. My understanding is that the reason the number 30% is so magical is a historical anomaly. When software was physically distributed back in the day, 15% of the MSRP was reserved for the distributor and another 15% for the retailer. When these digital marketplaces were set up, the comp…

It only really makes sense on the one time purchase of a product, not the subsequent in app purchases they don’t have to touch apples infra.

Re: Apple to soon take up to 30% cut from all Patreon creators in iOS app

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What are you going to do about it? Use Android?

This is also a political issue. The administration could have ftc investigate this under anti-trust, and the government could also pass tighter laws preventing this. But this current administration is likely too friendly to big corporate interests.
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