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Amazon cuts 16k jobs

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Post by hypeatei »

caminante wrote: post #462
hypeatei wrote: post #452

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Why do you choose to dismiss drivers like stockpiling inventory, increased USMCA compliance, broader economic offsets (AI/tech boom, energy production) Okay, so you're admitting that they're inflationary but choose to rattle off a list of random stuff that somehow, magically, offsets the increased costs from tariffs. Please go into detail on one of those, including what you're talking about (e.g. what is "increased…

> Okay, so you're admitting that they're inflationary but choose to rattle off a list of random stuff that somehow, magically, offsets the increased costs from tariffs. Haha! I haven't seen someone try to dismiss counterarguments as "magic." I should've said that more when I got answers wrong on my tests in high school. > So.. you were agreeing with my point then? If not "magic," then the objector "actually agrees" w…

I asked you to elaborate since you didn't explain anything, hence the use of "magic" which is sometimes referred to as hand waving. I'll take your non-response as a sign that you're not interested in elaborating for reasons.

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Post by carlcortright »

mrtksn wrote: post #472
shartshooter wrote: post #144

This summer I went camping and at the campground next to me was a middle manager at Amazon. I’ve been out of the workforce for about a year, so I asked him how much of an impact AI was having in his role. He told me that he had worked to develop a tool that would replace effectively all of the middle management function that he was responsible for: gathering information from folks below him, distilling it down and re…

TBH the last 20-30 years was exactly like that but computers were eliminating other peoples jobs for really good profits for the investors and really good salaries for the workers doing the elimination. Before that people were eliminating blue colar workers with highly productive machines and industrial robots. I don't see how eliminating your co-workers is any different. Software ate the world and now AI will eat th…

this is a very pessimistic take

could be, but the universe is odd in so many different ways

it's hard to be sure

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Post by ericmay »

darth_avocado wrote: post #440
ericmay wrote: post #418

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Here was the OP's claim: > if you are a big online retailer in a country, you will have a big corporate presence in that country. They made a general claim that a big retailer in a country will have a big corporate presence in that country. I don't know if that's true or not - hence my response. They didn't claim that a big retailer in India will have a big corporate presence, nor did claim that a retailer approachin…

Here’s the claim you made: because in my mind there are a number of large online retailers that operate in the United States for example, without a large corporate presence here.

That was commentary on the poor format of the arguments that were made by the OP and you. It's not a "claim".

But sure, if you insist, Temu is a large online retailer that operates in the United States without a large corporate presence here. QED.

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Post by tshaddox »

shartshooter wrote: post #144

This summer I went camping and at the campground next to me was a middle manager at Amazon. I’ve been out of the workforce for about a year, so I asked him how much of an impact AI was having in his role. He told me that he had worked to develop a tool that would replace effectively all of the middle management function that he was responsible for: gathering information from folks below him, distilling it down and re…

> It felt like watching someone who is about to be executed be responsible for building the gallows

Perilaus of Athens designed the Brazen Bull, a hollow bronze statue used to roast victims alive. When he presented it to the tyrant Phalaris, Phalaris was so disgusted by the cruelty of the device that he ordered Perilaus to be the first person tested inside it.

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Post by avalys »

conscion wrote: post #304
nxm wrote: post #243

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Actual effective managers do much more than "gathering information from folks below him, distilling it down and reporting that to people above him."

> Actual effective managers do much more And how many managers are effective vs. only information funnels?

Firing a bunch of ineffective managers because they can easily be replaced by AI seems like a net improvement to me.

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Post by 15155 »

mc32 wrote: post #373
Analemma_ wrote: post #366

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You could use this exact argument to say nobody should ever have children-- children also raise inflation, home prices, etc. And the majority of your property taxes go specifically towards programs which would be unneeded if nobody had any children. The fact that naive anti-immigration arguments can be copy-pasted unchanged into arguments against having children is a sign that maybe those arguments are stupid. To und…

Children are future taxpayers the majority with parents who were not a tax burden --net positive tax contribution. People without Children benefit from the taxes paid by the children of people who rear children -i.e. people without children aren't "cashing out" their tax contributed retirement --that contribution went to other retirees.

The vast majority of adults and their children will never pay their tax burden proportionately.

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Post by ThePowerOfFuet »

cyberax wrote: post #473
jandrese wrote: post #340

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> H1-B is stupid on its face. You're seriously telling me that this software engineering job absolutely cannot be filled by an American? That doesn't pass the laugh test. The job description is a senior full stack product developer fluent in all programming languages and frameworks. Salary is $70,000/year. Somehow they can never find Americans to fill those jobs. They'll go on Linkedin complaining that Americans are…

> Salary is $70,000/year The lowest allowed limit for such a job is around $140k in areas like Seattle.

Allowed by whom?

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Post by taswellian »

kjsingh wrote: post #414

If you have to post this, you are the reason for fear factor: Some of you might ask if this is the beginning of a new rhythm – where we announce broad reductions every few months. That’s not our plan.

What do you mean? Who is "we" and "our"?

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Post by dh2022 »

throwaway150 wrote: post #276

Another article about this: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2ywzxlxnlo > In-office work is now mandatory five-days a week, making Amazon one of the only major tech companies to require its employees to be in the office full-time. With this kind of employee hostile policies and threat of job cut, how does it manage to be the A of FANG (or as they call it, MANGA)? But apparently people still want to get a job the…

I think a lot of laid-off programmers would settle for any job in this environment... It is a employer market definitely.

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Post by aorloff »

baxtr wrote: post #476
shartshooter wrote: post #144

This summer I went camping and at the campground next to me was a middle manager at Amazon. I’ve been out of the workforce for about a year, so I asked him how much of an impact AI was having in his role. He told me that he had worked to develop a tool that would replace effectively all of the middle management function that he was responsible for: gathering information from folks below him, distilling it down and re…

Oh dear. I wish middle management was simply "gathering information" from the decks below and reporting it to the bridge.

Tell you what, why don't we get rid of management altogether and just have a flat org ?
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