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Will AIs take all our jobs and end human history, or not? (2023)

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Re: Will AIs take all our jobs and end human history, or not? (2023)

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Even if they automate all our current jobs uniquely human experiences will always be valuable to us and will always have demand.

There's a bit of a circular argument here - even if we human always assign intrinsic value to ourselves and our kin, I don't see a clear argument that human capabilities will have external value to the economy at large.

Re: Will AIs take all our jobs and end human history, or not? (2023)

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Even if they automate all our current jobs uniquely human experiences will always be valuable to us and will always have demand.

sex with humans - still hard to replicate. for now. sex workers should charge by the second since techbros are so used to that model now.

Re: Will AIs take all our jobs and end human history, or not? (2023)

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If all jobs were taken by AI in a short time span, the companies owning and operating those AIs would go out of business as no one would be able to afford the products made by the AIs. This is an unlikely scenario. Not all things will be made/run by AIs in a short time. It is far more likely that specific jobs in specific industries will be taken by AI, and AI will slowly take the labor market. This will drive down prices on products, services, and labor. Once human labor's price is low, and once many product prices are low, the overall employment level of humans will rise. The effect of AI then is actually just deflationary pressure on all prices over time.

The really scary part is what happens to all of the newly unemployed people between the falling prices part and the rising employment part. My guess is, governments and markets won't move quickly enough and unrest is what happens.

Re: Will AIs take all our jobs and end human history, or not? (2023)

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post #6

Even if they automate all our current jobs uniquely human experiences will always be valuable to us and will always have demand.

>Even if they automate all our current jobs uniquely human experiences will always be valuable to us and will always have demand.

I call this the Quark principle. On DS9, there are matter replicators that can perfectly recreate any possible drink imaginable instantly. And yet, the people of the station still gather at Quark's and pay him money to pour and mix their drinks from physical bottles. As long as we are human, some things will never go away no matter how advanced the technology becomes.

Re: Will AIs take all our jobs and end human history, or not? (2023)

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Even if they automate all our current jobs uniquely human experiences will always be valuable to us and will always have demand.

For AI, yes. For AGI? Do you care about uniquely ant experience? Bacteria? Why would AGI care? Which now runs the planet?

> Do you care about uniquely ant experience? Bacteria?

Ethology? Biology? We have entire fields of science to these things so obviously we care to some extent.

Re: Will AIs take all our jobs and end human history, or not? (2023)

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post #6

Even if they automate all our current jobs uniquely human experiences will always be valuable to us and will always have demand.

For AI, yes. For AGI? Do you care about uniquely ant experience? Bacteria? Why would AGI care? Which now runs the planet?

Why would AGI choose to run the planet?

Re: Will AIs take all our jobs and end human history, or not? (2023)

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post #6

Even if they automate all our current jobs uniquely human experiences will always be valuable to us and will always have demand.

There's a bit of a circular argument here - even if we human always assign intrinsic value to ourselves and our kin, I don't see a clear argument that human capabilities will have external value to the economy at large.

"The economy" is humans spending money on stuff and services. So if humands always assign intrinsic value to ourselves and our kin...

Re: Will AIs take all our jobs and end human history, or not? (2023)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

For AI, yes. For AGI? Do you care about uniquely ant experience? Bacteria? Why would AGI care? Which now runs the planet?

I think it's academic because I suspect we're much further from AGI than anyone thinks. We're especially far from AGI that can act in physical space without human "robots" to carry out its commands.

That's an interesting formulation. I'd actually be quite worried about a Manna-like world, where we have AGI and most humans don't have any economic value except as its "remote hands".

Re: Will AIs take all our jobs and end human history, or not? (2023)

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Outside of America people aren't really stressed about AI. Like you go to Vietnam or Vienna they mostly just think that they will have a good life with AI. It's uniquely American to believe that your life will end when AI takes your job. The problem isn't the AI it's that your access to basic rights is intermediated by a corporate job. American's need to decenter their self worth from their jobs. Like when I quit Mic…

I would argue this says more about how Americans view and treat life as their work instead of treating the world as their life.
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