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Amazon cuts 16k jobs

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Post by TSiege »

alephnerd wrote: post #7

How's the $100K H1B fee that was announced to distract from the Trump Gold Card announcement [0] going? The HN hive mind said it would bring back the jerbs and those of us who warned [1][2] it would incentivize mass layoffs and offshoring were hounded. Before the layoffs were announced Amazon also committed to expanding hiring and infra expansion in India [3], and depending on the org, affected employees on work visa…

This poster is right. Offshoring is a growing factor as US companies do to white collar work what they did to manufacturing

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Post by ge96 »

Rijanhastwoears wrote: post #124
rat9988 wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not american, but it seems to me there are enough american job seekers in CS to justify not needing H1B. I'm not sure anyway what is the relationship between the potential difficulty of hiring new folks, and firing current folks in USA to offshore roles, are relates.

> it seems to me there are enough american job seekers in CS to justify not needing H1B. Anecdotal so hold on to your salt but in my social circle here in the US natural-born US citizens vs visa-holders self-select for types of jobs. For example, if my the starting pay is Not saying my US friends are uppity as much as visa holders are desperate.

I suppose that is "in the tech field" too, as non-tech people would be happy with an $80K job where a lot are under $50K

I will say my first tech job was $40K and now I have to have a six-fig job just because of my debt.

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Post by batshit_beaver »

klipt wrote: post #150
y-curious wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess we just need the other shoe to drop: punish companies that are based in the US and outsource to India. It’ll happen in time if this trend continues

Then the US companies will be outcompeted by more competitive companies located outside the US. Now the US lost the jobs and the workers' income tax and the corporate tax. America cannot eternally capture a disproportionate share of global wealth, even with such rent seeking moves. It's unsustainable. We had a golden age after WW2 when we were the only undamaged industrial economy but that age has ended.

That's what the third shoe is for - aircraft carriers.

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Post by yodsanklai »

eli_gottlieb wrote: post #145
yodsanklai wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> there are enough american job seekers in CS to justify not needing H1B. As an interviewer in a big tech company, it seems all candidates I interview are foreigners who often graduated in the US. Either the company discriminates (which I really doubt it does), or there aren't enough qualified Americans for some jobs. And even if there are, the largest pool of candidates, the better.

1) There's a very reasonable chance the company discriminates. Sorry, but once bitten, twice shy. One company gets caught at it and the whole industry develops a reputation. 2) If you've got a problem finding candidates, there's 16,000 more on the market now. Congratulations! 3) If you think there must be something wrong with those 16,000, well, that would explain where your pipeline is going wrong.

> There's a very reasonable chance the company discriminates

I don't see how this is even possible. There would be a memo from the CEO to 1000s of recruiters asking them to favor foreigners? that would leak immediately.

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Post by arjie »

fishingisfun wrote: post #173
arjie wrote: post #167

The difference between the reaction on HN to the Amazon layoffs and the ASML layoffs is interesting. Perhaps it's driven by the fact that people here are employed by US companies and not by ASML, so we're able to admire how ASML is cutting 4% of its workforce as reducing the number of managers but Amazon cutting 1%^H^H 4% of its corporate workforce so that they can get to "reducing layers, increasing ownership, and r…

dont count warehouse works and corp folks in the same bucket. thats like mixing commercial and residential real estate markets in one report without diff

A reasonable correction. Apparently 25% of Amazon employees are in corporate or AWS[0]. So they're both roughly 4% layoffs.

0: https://redstagfulfillment.com/how-many-people-work-for-amaz...

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Post by ericmcer »

tchalla wrote: post #97

Interesting perspective of an L7 who was laid off at Amazon https://xcancel.com/PlumbNick/status/2016500347053773198

"moved wherever the company needed me and fixed problems that had been sitting untouched because no one else could untangle them."

A screenshot later on shows he was a manager who spent his entire career in Houston. So... he didn't move and I associate "untangling difficult problems" as something an engineer should brag about not a manager.

Reads like AI generated slop that doesn't correlate with the actual situation.

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Post by franktankbank »

arjie wrote: post #167

The difference between the reaction on HN to the Amazon layoffs and the ASML layoffs is interesting. Perhaps it's driven by the fact that people here are employed by US companies and not by ASML, so we're able to admire how ASML is cutting 4% of its workforce as reducing the number of managers but Amazon cutting 1%^H^H 4% of its corporate workforce so that they can get to "reducing layers, increasing ownership, and r…

ASML isn't laying off their blue collar labor and neither is Amazon. Apples to Apples would be US based corporate numbers.

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Post by jgbuddy »

paganel wrote: post #119

One thing I don't understand when it comes to these big data-center investments in India is what will they do when the water runs out? Because I do not think that this is environmentally sustainable.

Water consumption is not what the headlines lead you to believe- using water for cooling doesn't "consume" the water

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Post by jeffbee »

eli_gottlieb wrote: post #163
jeffbee wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, that's one perspective :-) Objectively, the global labor market is the hottest it has been in modern history.

Which is why governments and firms in the capitalist core are trying to cool it down?

There is a case to be made that wage spirals are bad, actually.
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