Devuan – Debian Without Systemd
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Devuan – Debian Without Systemd
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Re: Devuan – Debian Without Systemd
#2I haven't used Devuan for a while but I use another systemd-free distro and I think all such distros have benefited from work that Devuan has done to keep the option on the table.
I think you can even get my favorite init system on Devuan now - dinit. It has a simple and useful service file format that's trivial to use and it can monitor and restart processes and users can use it for starting up their daemons etc - BUT it doesn't take over the world and the log file formats are all text.
Re: Devuan – Debian Without Systemd
#3never used this one but glad to see systemd free stuff. definitely interested to try thanks for sharin!
Re: Devuan – Debian Without Systemd
#4It seems though not having systemd in it would be against "init freedom": https://www.devuan.org/os/init-freedom . Or is there some particular criteria an init system needs to satisfy to be included, that systemd doesn't satisfy but the others do?
Re: Devuan – Debian Without Systemd
#5It seems though not having systemd in it would be against "init freedom": https://www.devuan.org/os/init-freedom . Or is there some particular criteria an init system needs to satisfy to be included, that systemd doesn't satisfy but the others do?
Yep, no "unnecessary entanglements" evidently (their words, not mine).
Re: Devuan – Debian Without Systemd
#6I like Devuan because it matches the Linux I learned - people who learned with a Systemd distro might not like it as much.
Re: Devuan – Debian Without Systemd
#7"Tricycle – Car Without Engine"
Honestly though, the argument against systemd is that it moves too much stuff into init, but I don't think it does enough of that, it's still extremely conservative, like, SD-DBus should be using binder x-port IMO.
Re: Devuan – Debian Without Systemd
#8It seems though not having systemd in it would be against "init freedom": https://www.devuan.org/os/init-freedom . Or is there some particular criteria an init system needs to satisfy to be included, that systemd doesn't satisfy but the others do?
Their criterion for an init system to qualify for this so-called "init freedom" seems to be "not being systemd".
Re: Devuan – Debian Without Systemd
#9I don't care:
I can administer with relatively high confidence any Redhat- or Debian-derivate.
Thanks to systems.
Most issues regarding systemd I encountered were due to a halfway adoption (Debian). Some things like timers are a bit more cumbersome than "the old way", but I wouldn't want to miss the added robustness. Most things systemd implements lead to _less_ issues. And writing a systemd unit is pretty easy, contrary to the old bash script mess.
So, no. Keep your Poettering-Bashing to yourself. I'd rather invest the time in geokking the systemd choices deeper.
Re: Devuan – Debian Without Systemd
#10I like Devuan because it matches the Linux I learned - people who learned with a Systemd distro might not like it as much.
I can use systemd but it's always annoying to configure and sometimes randomly breaks and it's hard to know why. init.d scripts are no better, though. Runit is quite cool.