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Post by wyldberry »

megous wrote: post #315
wyldberry wrote: post #268

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a good thing FBI has capacity to do more than one thing at a time. Also Trump agreed to allow MNPD to handle the wrongful death investigation. Two things can be true: the "resistance" rings in MN are behaving like the insurgents the US has fought for decades in the Middle East, and ICE agents wrongfully killed a man.

Equating civil resistance, even in heated forms like disrupting raids or blocking roads, with decades‑long insurgencies that involved organized armed groups, territorial control, foreign combatants, and protracted guerrilla campaigns is like comparing a neighborhood disagreement over lawn care to Napoleon invading Russia.

Like i've said over and over, the tactics used are the distilled what works from those insurgencies honed over decades. They are incredibly effective. The network that was built (several max signal chats, organized territory, labor specialization) has essentially created an effective targeting mechanism.

This isn't a bunch of people organically protesting, this is an organized system designed to "target" ICE agents. The only difference is the payload delivery between physical disruption vs weapon based attacks.

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Post by zem »

lovich wrote: post #224
jatora wrote: post #150

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“Citizens of law enforcement” What a phrase

the fine nation of law enforcement, which has only colonised the united states for its own good and to bring civilisation to the heathen masses

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Post by direwolf20 »

thewebguyd wrote: post #230
SR2Z wrote: post #100

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Unless they compel people at gunpoint (which prevents the government from bringing a case), they will probably not have much luck with this. As soon as a user sets up a passcode or other lock on their phone, it is beyond the ability of even most parts of the US government to look inside. It's much more likely that the government convinces one member of the group chat to turn on the other members and give up their pho…

> it is beyond the ability of even most parts of the US government to look inside. I'm sure the Israeli spyware companies can help with that. Although then they'd have to start burning their zero days to just go after protestors, which I doubt they're willing to do. I imagine they like to save those for bigger targets.

Cellebrite can break into every phone except GrapheneOS.

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Post by tbrownaw »

LastTrain wrote: post #344
tbrownaw wrote: post #296

> Patel said he got the idea for the investigation from Higby. This is confirmation that this wasn't being investigated until just now. This is surprising, I would have thought that "how are these people organizing" would have been an obvious thing to look into.

Why is it so obvious to you to investigate something that is perfectly legal?

> something that is perfectly legal

The goal is to prevent ICE / BP from doing their jobs. Which I rather suspect is not actually legal.

Thinking they're incompetent doesn't change that. Thinking the specific laws they're (nominally) enforcing are evil doesn't change that. Thinking that national borders are fundamentally illegitimate doesn't change that.

Perhaps the FBI had been ignoring this out of incompetence. Perhaps they'd been ignoring it as a form of protest. Either is interesting.

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Post by Eupolemos »

crystal_revenge wrote: post #178
hedayet wrote: post #111

With all the predatory tech Palantir has produced, it won't take more than a few minutes for FBI to start taking actions, IF they had anything tangible. This is just an intimidation tactic to stop people talking (chatting)

I'm never sure why people assume that Palantir is magically unlike the overwhelming majority of tech startups/companies I've worked at: vastly over promising what is possible to create hype and value while offering things engineering knows will never really quite work like they're advertised. To your point, but on a larger scale, over hyping Palantir has the added benefit of providing a chilling effect on public resi…

Because Snowden, agree with him or not, showed us that reality blew away our imagination.

It may feel normal now, but back then, serious people, professionals, told us that the claims just were not possible.

Until we learned that they were.

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Post by ActorNightly »

dylan604 wrote: post #163
ActorNightly wrote: post #124

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>is the only defense. Or you know, the 2nd amendment. Id be willing to bet that ICE would have a much smaller impact if they would be met with bullets instead of cameras. In the end, what ICE is doing doesn't really matter to Trump, as long as MAGA believes that things are being done, even if nothing is being done, he doesn't care.

That's a strange take. It also feels like exactly what they are hoping to have happen. Encouraging gun violence is not something condoned, so not sure why you are posting that nonsense. Are you an agitator?

Strange take? Are you kidding me?

The second amendment is literally in the constitution for the EXACT reason where if a governing entity decides to violate the security and freedoms of people, the people have the right to own weapons and organize a militia.

Plus nobody really needs to die. Having enough people point guns at them is going to make them think twice about starting shit. Contrary to popular belief, ICE agents aren't exactly martyrs for the cause. There are already groups of people armed outside protecting others, for this exact reason.

You are the actual fed lmao.

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Post by CMay »

ncallaway wrote: post #375
CMay wrote: post #367

It's not illegal to track law enforcement, but if any of their still visible chats show intent it will hurt them. They'll also want to find out how many people in the group chat are outside of the US, if any money was being exchanged, etc. Hopefully they can unwind these groups, because it's just pitting people against law enforcement who have no idea what they're up against. They don't seem to have a sense for when…

This is what collaboration looks like

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Post by edoceo »

radicaldreamer wrote: post #408
asdfman123 wrote: post #300

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If they throw out things like due process and reasonable doubt they can do a whole lot with the data they've collected. That may sound hyperbolic but I hope it's obvious to most people by now that it's not.

They can do parallel construction or use "undercover" informants etc.

Fuzzy Dunlop (it's from The Wire). Their CI was a tennis ball (with an unauthorized camera inside).

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Post by ActorNightly »

archy_ wrote: post #223
ActorNightly wrote: post #124

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>is the only defense. Or you know, the 2nd amendment. Id be willing to bet that ICE would have a much smaller impact if they would be met with bullets instead of cameras. In the end, what ICE is doing doesn't really matter to Trump, as long as MAGA believes that things are being done, even if nothing is being done, he doesn't care.

Never fear, the 2nd amendments days are numbered too. Trump just said 'You can't have guns. You can't walk in with guns' (the 'in' in this context being 'outside') https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/watch-you-cant-have-gu...

I really hope he implements this, because we are gonna see mental gymnastics on the Olympic level from the right wing commentators.

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Post by freejazz »

larkost wrote: post #329
fudged71 wrote: post #210

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It's noteworthy at this point in time that there is a contradiction. The government is currently ramping up Palantir and they are using "precise targeting" of illegal aliens using "advanced data/algorithms". And yet, at the very same time we are seeing time and time again that ICE/DHS agents are finding the wrong people, seemingly going to any house indescriminently, and generally profiling people instead of using an…

I think this is mostly because they don't care about false-negatives. They have forgotten the idea that our justice system was supposed to hold true to: "better a hundred guilty go free than one innocent person suffer" (attributed to Benjamin Franklin). This can be seen in the case of ChongLy Thao, the American citizen (who was born in Laos). This was the man dragged out into freezing temperatures in his underwear af…

But they were wrong about the Thai people living there. That's the poster's point. Not that they don't care, but that they were wrong from the get-go because they don't actually have good information.
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