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Re: Prism

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Post by pickleRick243 »

JBorrow wrote: post #32

From my perspective as a journal editor and a reviewer these kinds of tools cause many more problems than they actually solve. They make the 'barrier to entry' for submitting vibed semi-plausible journal articles much lower, which I understand some may see as a benefit. The drawback is that scientific editors and reviewers provide those services for free, as a community benefit. One example was a submission their und…

I'm curious if you'd be in favor of other forms of academic gate keeping as well. Isn't the lower quality overall of submissions (an ongoing trend with a history far pre-dating LLMs) an issue? Isn't the real question (that you are alluding to) whether there should be limits to the democratization of science? If my tone seems acerbic, it is only because I sense cognitive dissonance between the anti-AI stance common among many academics and the purported support for inclusivity measures.

"which is really not the point of these journals at all"- it seems that it very much is one of the main points? Why do you think people publish in journals instead of just putting their work on the arxiv? Do you think postdocs and APs are suffering through depression and stressing out about their publications because they're agonizing over whether their research has genuinely contributed substantively to the academic literature? Are academic employers poring over the publishing record of their researchers and obsessing over how well they publish in top journals in an altruistic effort to ensure that the research of their employees has made the world a better place?

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Post by uwehn »

If you're looking for something like this for typst: any VSCode fork with AI (Cursor, Antigravity, etc) plus the tinymist extension (https://github.com/Myriad-Dreamin/tinymist) is pretty nice. Since it's local, it won't have the collaboration/sharing parts built in, but that can be solved too in the usual ways.

Re: Prism

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Post by plastic041 »

parsimo2010 wrote: post #210
plastic041 wrote: post #207

The video shows a user asking Prism to find articles to cite and to put them in a bib file. But what's the point of citing papers that aren't referenced in the paper you're actually writing? Can you do that? Edit: You can add papers that are not cited, to bibliography. Video is about bibliography and I was thinking about cited works.

A common approach to research is to do literature review first, and build up a library of citable material. Then when writing your article, you summarize the relevant past research and put in appropriate citations. To clarify, there is a difference between a bibliography (a list of relevant works but not necessarily cited), and cited work (a direct reference in an article to relevant work). But most people start with…

> a bibliography (a list of relevant works but not necessarily cited)

Didn't know that there's difference between bibliography and cited work. thank you.

Re: Prism

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Post by jasonfarnon »

nemomarx wrote: post #217
amitav1 wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Am I missing something? LaTeX is associated with slop now?

If a common AI tool produces latex documents, the association will be created yeah. Right now latex would be a high indicator of manual effort, right?

don't think so. I think latex was one of academics' earlier use cases of chatgpt, back in 2023. That's when I started noticing tables in every submitted paper looking way more sophisticated than they ever did. (The other early use case of course being grammar/spelling. Overnight everyone got fluent and typos disappeared.)

Re: Prism

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Post by radioactivist »

lxe wrote: post #87
radioactivist wrote: post #82

Is anyone else having trouble using even some of the basic features? For example, I can open a comment, but it doesn't seem like there is any way to close them (I try clicking the checkmark and nothing happens). You also can't seem to edit the comments once typed.

Thanks for surfacing this. If you click to "tools" button to the left of "compile", you'll see a list of comments, and you can resolve them from there. We'll keep improving and fixing things that might be rough around the edges. EDIT: Fixed :)

Thanks! (very quickly too)

Re: Prism

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Post by jackblemming »

There is zero chance this is worth billions of dollars, let alone the trillion$ OpenAI desparately needs. Why are they wasting time with this kind of stuff? Each of their employees needs to generate insane amounts of money to justify their salaries and equity and I doubt this is it.

Re: Prism

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Post by Cornbilly »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #185
SchemaLoad wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

GenAI largely seems like a DDoS on free resources. The effort to review this stuff is now massively more than the effort to "create" it, so really what is the point of even submitting it, the reviewer could have generated it themself. Seeing it in software development where coworkers are submitting massive PRs they generated but hardly read or tested. Shifting the real work to the PR review. I'm not sure what the fin…

AI slop security reports submitted to curl - https://gist.github.com/bagder/07f7581f6e3d78ef37dfbfc81fd1d... HN Search: curl AI slop - https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...

This one is hilarious. https://hackerone.com/reports/3516186

If I submitted this, I'd have to punch myself in the face repeatedly.

Re: Prism

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Post by jasonfarnon »

JBorrow wrote: post #32

From my perspective as a journal editor and a reviewer these kinds of tools cause many more problems than they actually solve. They make the 'barrier to entry' for submitting vibed semi-plausible journal articles much lower, which I understand some may see as a benefit. The drawback is that scientific editors and reviewers provide those services for free, as a community benefit. One example was a submission their und…

I'm certain your journal will be using LLMs in reviewing incoming articles, if they aren't already. I also don't think this is in response to the flood of LLM generated articles. Even if authors were the same as pre-LLM, journals would succumb to the temptation, at least at the big 5 publishers, which already have a contentious relationship with the referees.

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Post by bonsai_spool »

alphazard wrote: post #212
plastic041 wrote: post #207

The video shows a user asking Prism to find articles to cite and to put them in a bib file. But what's the point of citing papers that aren't referenced in the paper you're actually writing? Can you do that? Edit: You can add papers that are not cited, to bibliography. Video is about bibliography and I was thinking about cited works.

I once took a philosophy class where an essay assignment had a minimum citation count. Obviously ridiculous, since a philosophical argument should follow a chain of reasoning starting at stated axioms. Citing a paper to defend your position is just an appeal to authority (a fallacy that they teach you about in the same class). The citation requirement allowed the class to fulfill a curricular requirement that student…

> Citing a paper to defend your position is just an appeal to authority

Hmm, I guess I read this as a requirement to find enough supportive evidence to establish your argument as novel (or at least supported in 'established' logic).

An appeal to authority explicitly has no reasoning associated with it; is your argument that one should be able to quote a blog as well as a journal article?

Re: Prism

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Post by utilize1808 »

ezst wrote: post #104
utilize1808 wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Better yet, make a "polymarket" for papers where people can bet on which paper can make it, and rely on "expertise arbitrage" to punish spams.

Doesn't stop the flood, i.e. the unfair asymmetry between the effort to produce vs. effort to review.

Not if submissions require some small mandatory bet.
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