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Post by Cornbilly »

Analemma_ wrote: post #279
hollandheese wrote: post #249

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The police (FBI and ICE included) are never your friends. They work to protect the rich and powerful and not us.

Cynical responses like this are meant to make the speaker sound smart, but actually what you're doing is making further tyranny more likely, because you're deliberately overlooking that-- whatever the existing problems with the FBI-- there is a significant difference between their behavior now and their behavior before. Not even bothering to run the established investigation playbook when law enforcement kills a civi…

I would disagree to a certain extent. "Law enforcement is not your friend" is a good mindset as a citizen. You should never hand them information without a lawyer and you should always push for oversight.

I agree that the "same at it ever was and always will be" attitude isn't great. It's defeatist and I choose not to live my life that way, even if it would be much easier mentally.

I think part of the reason I see this attitude so often is that, especially since 9/11, a large portion of the US population has decided that the police and military are infallible and should be trusted completely, so any large-scale attempt at reform runs into these unwavering supporters (and, in the case of the police, their unions).

Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE

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Post by throwaway-11-1 »

Analemma_ wrote: post #279
hollandheese wrote: post #249

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The police (FBI and ICE included) are never your friends. They work to protect the rich and powerful and not us.

Cynical responses like this are meant to make the speaker sound smart, but actually what you're doing is making further tyranny more likely, because you're deliberately overlooking that-- whatever the existing problems with the FBI-- there is a significant difference between their behavior now and their behavior before. Not even bothering to run the established investigation playbook when law enforcement kills a civi…

cmon man seriously?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FBI%E2%80%93King_letter?wprov=...

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/newb...

Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE

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Post by gruez »

OneDeuxTriSeiGo wrote: post #206
causalscience wrote: post #84

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I've been hearing for years people say "Signal requires phone number therefore I don't use it", and I've been hearing them mocked for years. Turns out they were right.

They weren't though? Signal requires a phone number to sign up and it is linked to your account but your phone number is not used in the under the hood account or device identification, it is not shared by default, your number can be entirely removed from contact disovery if you wish, and even if they got a warrant or were tapping signal infra directly, it'd be extremely non trivial to extract user phone numbers. htt…

Which of those links actually say that your phone number is private from Signal? If anything, this passage makes it sound like it's the reverse, because they specifically call out usernames not being stored in plaintext, but not phone numbers.

>We have also worked to ensure that keeping your phone number private from the people you speak with doesn’t necessitate giving more personal information to Signal. Your username is not stored in plaintext, meaning that Signal cannot easily see or produce the usernames of given accounts.

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Post by lateforwork »

donkeybeer wrote: post #297
epistasis wrote: post #257

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And importantly the DoJ attorneys who would be responsible for investigating g the murders resigned because they were prevented from performing the standard procedure investigation that happens after every single shooting. They were instead directed to investigate the family of the person who was shot: https://kstp.com/kstp-news/top-news/nyt-6-federal-prosecutor... We are through the looking glass, folks. This will b…

That's straight up corrupt third world country stuff.

It is going to get a lot worse. Trump's eventual goal is to send the military to all Democrat-controlled cities. Back in September Trump gathered military leaders in a room and told them America is under "invasion from within". He said: "This is going to be a major part for some of the people in this room. That's a war too. It's a war from within."

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Post by megous »

wyldberry wrote: post #268
chinathrow wrote: post #212

The FBI should investigate the murders done by ICE and until done with that, remain silent.

It's a good thing FBI has capacity to do more than one thing at a time. Also Trump agreed to allow MNPD to handle the wrongful death investigation. Two things can be true: the "resistance" rings in MN are behaving like the insurgents the US has fought for decades in the Middle East, and ICE agents wrongfully killed a man.

Equating civil resistance, even in heated forms like disrupting raids or blocking roads, with decades‑long insurgencies that involved organized armed groups, territorial control, foreign combatants, and protracted guerrilla campaigns is like comparing a neighborhood disagreement over lawn care to Napoleon invading Russia.

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Post by throwawaygmbno »

asdfman123 wrote: post #292
hollandheese wrote: post #249

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The police (FBI and ICE included) are never your friends. They work to protect the rich and powerful and not us.

Software engineers are definitely among the class of people protected by the police

Depends on the race of the engineer. If you're gay or live in a blue city/state then you also lose your protection

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Post by thunderfork »

ddtaylor wrote: post #234
OhMeadhbh wrote: post #191

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I talked to Moxie about this 20 years ago at DefCon and he shrugged his shoulders and said "well... it's better than the alternative." He has a point. Signal is probably better than Facebook Messenger or SMS. Maybe there's a market for something better.

Briar and Session are the better encrypted messengers.

Session lacks forward secrecy, which isn't ideal.

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Post by touwer »

epistasis wrote: post #257
chinathrow wrote: post #212

The FBI should investigate the murders done by ICE and until done with that, remain silent.

And importantly the DoJ attorneys who would be responsible for investigating g the murders resigned because they were prevented from performing the standard procedure investigation that happens after every single shooting. They were instead directed to investigate the family of the person who was shot: https://kstp.com/kstp-news/top-news/nyt-6-federal-prosecutor... We are through the looking glass, folks. This will b…

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Post by krapp »

Analemma_ wrote: post #279
hollandheese wrote: post #249

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The police (FBI and ICE included) are never your friends. They work to protect the rich and powerful and not us.

Cynical responses like this are meant to make the speaker sound smart, but actually what you're doing is making further tyranny more likely, because you're deliberately overlooking that-- whatever the existing problems with the FBI-- there is a significant difference between their behavior now and their behavior before. Not even bothering to run the established investigation playbook when law enforcement kills a civi…

The only significant difference is that law enforcement is treating white people the way they've always treated everyone else. Which is a difference in degree, but not character.

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Post by lenerdenator »

spprashant wrote: post #275
lenerdenator wrote: post #114

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I don't know if I'd classify Noem as a patsy or fall gal, either. When you mention an anecdote about shooting a hunting dog in your autobiography, that shows something beyond just being a "true believer" or stooge. That is willingly pointing out that you are willing to act out your lack of empathy through violence towards an animal. I'm not a clinician (and haven't met Noem) but that just seems to me to be something…

She's an opportunist. For someone like her to be nationally relevant they have to latch onto MAGA and embrace the crazy. See MTG, Lauren Boebert, Matt Gaetz.

To me, those people you list are absolutely opportunists, but there's just something different about Noem. Like they're hedonists who are engaging in a grift and know that they have to sling arrows that will own the libs in order to keep the gravy train rolling. MTG seems to have, at least for a while a few months ago, found her limit on what she'll put up with. Gaetz had at least enough shame/self-awareness to realize that his continued career was untenable at the time he was being considered for AG. Boebert's the girl who told your science teacher to go fuck himself when he caught her smoking behind the high school gym with her age-inappropriate boyfriend.

Maybe I'm just really hung up on the dog thing, but that is the crux of it. There's basically no one who hears a story of shooting a dog for misbehaving and thinks, "yeah, that'll show the libs". That's not a story out of a politician's biography as much as it is a story out of a book profiling a serial killer's childhood.

71% of American households have pets [0] and there's a good chance that those who don't have had at least one in the past. There was absolutely no benefit to including that in the book, and I'd be stunned if the publisher didn't at least try to talk her out of putting it in there, given her political ambitions. If they didn't try to get it cut, they didn't do their jobs; if she ignored them, then she really does display a tendency to take pride in behavior that is recognized across the political spectrum in American society as cruel and antisocial.

She genuinely gives me the creeps.

[0] https://worldanimalfoundation.org/advocate/pet-ownership-sta...

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