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Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE

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Post by wyldberry »

soperj wrote: post #277
wyldberry wrote: post #268

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a good thing FBI has capacity to do more than one thing at a time. Also Trump agreed to allow MNPD to handle the wrongful death investigation. Two things can be true: the "resistance" rings in MN are behaving like the insurgents the US has fought for decades in the Middle East, and ICE agents wrongfully killed a man.

> agreed to allow pardon my ignorance, but why would that be up to your President?

Not a lawyer, but there's a lot of back and forth around jurisdiction between local and federal enforcement. If the President directs the DoJ to not fight to own the investigation over local, then it is up to the Executive Branch.

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Post by asdfman123 »

hollandheese wrote: post #249
chinathrow wrote: post #212

The FBI should investigate the murders done by ICE and until done with that, remain silent.

The police (FBI and ICE included) are never your friends. They work to protect the rich and powerful and not us.

Software engineers are definitely among the class of people protected by the police

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Post by zxcvasd »

causalscience wrote: post #197
OhMeadhbh wrote: post #191

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I talked to Moxie about this 20 years ago at DefCon and he shrugged his shoulders and said "well... it's better than the alternative." He has a point. Signal is probably better than Facebook Messenger or SMS. Maybe there's a market for something better.

I have no idea if that was true 20 years ago, but it's not true now. XMPP doesn't have this problem; your host instance knows your IP but you can connect via Tor.

my mom can use signal no problem. she doesnt know what half the words in your comment mean, though.

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Post by mothballed »

mikkupikku wrote: post #281
epistasis wrote: post #257

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And importantly the DoJ attorneys who would be responsible for investigating g the murders resigned because they were prevented from performing the standard procedure investigation that happens after every single shooting. They were instead directed to investigate the family of the person who was shot: https://kstp.com/kstp-news/top-news/nyt-6-federal-prosecutor... We are through the looking glass, folks. This will b…

If those shooters don't get presidential pardons, they're going to get prosecuted sooner or later. No statute of limitations for murder, right?

That depends, the civil service has a lot of leverage because most of them cannot easily be fired. And POTUS needs the civil service to execute his policy goals so his fellow party members and possibly himself can get re-elected.

Therefore there is considerable leverage for allied servants to form an alliance that more or less offers their allegiance in exchange for non-prosecution. I would expect especially DHS to basically become a non-functional (or even seditious) department if they prosecute those guys and they could purposefully make the president look bad by making his security apparatus look incompetent.

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Post by jjk166 »

NewsaHackO wrote: post #82
cyberge99 wrote: post #66

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You know it works because they banned it in Russia? Works for whom?

Yes, at best it implies Russia cannot easily get confidential information from them. Everyone else, the jury is still out for.

There aren't a lot of things I would claim Russia is a leader in, but state sponsored hacking and spying on its own people would both definitely make the list. That's not to say no one has cracked it, but if the Russians couldn't do it there aren't many who could.

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Post by tbrownaw »

> Patel said he got the idea for the investigation from Higby.

This is confirmation that this wasn't being investigated until just now. This is surprising, I would have thought that "how are these people organizing" would have been an obvious thing to look into.

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Post by donkeybeer »

epistasis wrote: post #257
chinathrow wrote: post #212

The FBI should investigate the murders done by ICE and until done with that, remain silent.

And importantly the DoJ attorneys who would be responsible for investigating g the murders resigned because they were prevented from performing the standard procedure investigation that happens after every single shooting. They were instead directed to investigate the family of the person who was shot: https://kstp.com/kstp-news/top-news/nyt-6-federal-prosecutor... We are through the looking glass, folks. This will b…

That's straight up corrupt third world country stuff.

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Post by filoeleven »

Bender wrote: post #266
sixsevenrot wrote: post #247

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The nazi transformation didn't happen over the course of half an hour. Or one election cycle, even. The history is rhyming pretty hard right now.

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Post by wizardforhire »

mikkupikku wrote: post #281
epistasis wrote: post #257

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And importantly the DoJ attorneys who would be responsible for investigating g the murders resigned because they were prevented from performing the standard procedure investigation that happens after every single shooting. They were instead directed to investigate the family of the person who was shot: https://kstp.com/kstp-news/top-news/nyt-6-federal-prosecutor... We are through the looking glass, folks. This will b…

If those shooters don't get presidential pardons, they're going to get prosecuted sooner or later. No statute of limitations for murder, right?

But pardons only apply to federal crimes… murder is a state offense.

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Post by asdfman123 »

crystal_revenge wrote: post #178
hedayet wrote: post #111

With all the predatory tech Palantir has produced, it won't take more than a few minutes for FBI to start taking actions, IF they had anything tangible. This is just an intimidation tactic to stop people talking (chatting)

I'm never sure why people assume that Palantir is magically unlike the overwhelming majority of tech startups/companies I've worked at: vastly over promising what is possible to create hype and value while offering things engineering knows will never really quite work like they're advertised. To your point, but on a larger scale, over hyping Palantir has the added benefit of providing a chilling effect on public resi…

If they throw out things like due process and reasonable doubt they can do a whole lot with the data they've collected.

That may sound hyperbolic but I hope it's obvious to most people by now that it's not.

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