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FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE

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Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE

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The FBI should investigate the murders done by ICE and until done with that, remain silent.

It's a good thing FBI has capacity to do more than one thing at a time. Also Trump agreed to allow MNPD to handle the wrongful death investigation. Two things can be true: the "resistance" rings in MN are behaving like the insurgents the US has fought for decades in the Middle East, and ICE agents wrongfully killed a man.

Both can be true, but only one is.

Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE

#273

The FBI should investigate the murders done by ICE and until done with that, remain silent.

It's a good thing FBI has capacity to do more than one thing at a time. Also Trump agreed to allow MNPD to handle the wrongful death investigation. Two things can be true: the "resistance" rings in MN are behaving like the insurgents the US has fought for decades in the Middle East, and ICE agents wrongfully killed a man.

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Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE

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Why? That's unequivocally constitutionally protected speech. Why is our tax money being wasted on this?

Federal felony, not free speech. 18 U.S.C. § 372 - Conspiring to impede or interfere with a federal officer

Are these federal officers? They’re men in masks with camo and body armor kidnapping people off the streets and refusing to show identification beyond a patch that says “ICE”.

That is who is alleged to be impeded.

Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Miller is not the fall guy. The other clowns, yes, but not him. He's the most hard-core fascist in the bunch.

I don't know if I'd classify Noem as a patsy or fall gal, either. When you mention an anecdote about shooting a hunting dog in your autobiography, that shows something beyond just being a "true believer" or stooge. That is willingly pointing out that you are willing to act out your lack of empathy through violence towards an animal. I'm not a clinician (and haven't met Noem) but that just seems to me to be something…

She's an opportunist. For someone like her to be nationally relevant they have to latch onto MAGA and embrace the crazy. See MTG, Lauren Boebert, Matt Gaetz.

Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE

#276

Why? That's unequivocally constitutionally protected speech. Why is our tax money being wasted on this?

Coordinating roadblocks, "dearrests", warning the subjects of law enforcement operations, and intentionally causing the maximum amount of noise in neighborhoods neighborhood are not things you will be able to get a federal judge to characterize as "constitutionally protected speech".

The “arrests” are being done in a deeply unconstitutional way. Acting to uphold the constitution is beyond speech, it’s a duty of all americans.

Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE

#277

The FBI should investigate the murders done by ICE and until done with that, remain silent.

It's a good thing FBI has capacity to do more than one thing at a time. Also Trump agreed to allow MNPD to handle the wrongful death investigation. Two things can be true: the "resistance" rings in MN are behaving like the insurgents the US has fought for decades in the Middle East, and ICE agents wrongfully killed a man.

> agreed to allow

pardon my ignorance, but why would that be up to your President?

Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE

#278

The FBI should investigate the murders done by ICE and until done with that, remain silent.

It's a good thing FBI has capacity to do more than one thing at a time. Also Trump agreed to allow MNPD to handle the wrongful death investigation. Two things can be true: the "resistance" rings in MN are behaving like the insurgents the US has fought for decades in the Middle East, and ICE agents wrongfully killed a man.

> the "resistance" rings in MN are behaving like the insurgents the US has fought for decades in the Middle East

This is a horrifying and very unpariortic thing to say about people who are trying to prevent their daycares from being tear bombed, prevent masked thugs from beating detained law-abiding citizens before releasing them without charges, from masked thugs killing law-abiding people for exercising basic rights.

King George would have used that language. We sent him the Declaration of Independence, and the list of wrongs in that document is mostly relevant again today.

If you are framing this as insurgency, I place my bet on the strong people fighting bullets with mere whistles and cameras, as they are already coming out on top. If they ever resort to a fraction of the violence that the masked thugs are already using, they will not lose.

Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE

#279

The FBI should investigate the murders done by ICE and until done with that, remain silent.

The police (FBI and ICE included) are never your friends. They work to protect the rich and powerful and not us.

Cynical responses like this are meant to make the speaker sound smart, but actually what you're doing is making further tyranny more likely, because you're deliberately overlooking that-- whatever the existing problems with the FBI-- there is a significant difference between their behavior now and their behavior before.

Not even bothering to run the established investigation playbook when law enforcement kills a civilian is a major departure, and one worth noticing. But if all you do is go "same old same old", then you can safely lean back in your chair and do nothing as the problem worsens, while calling yourself so much smarter and more insightful than the people around you.

Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think it's much of a problem at all. Many of the protesters and observers are not hiding their identities, so finding their phone number isn't a problem. Even with content, coordinating legal activities isn't a problem either.

conspiracy charges are a thing, and they'll only need a few examples of manifestly illegal interference. it will be quite easy for a prosecutor to charge lots of these people. it's been done for less, and even if the case is thrown out it can drag on for years and involve jail time before any conviction.

Conspiracy requires an agreement to commit an illegal act, and entering into that agreement must be intentional.
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